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Vick 'has real legal problems'

Posted: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 9:42 AM

Those who believe or hope that Michael Vick’s legal problems will be plea-bargained or argued away or even that it will take a year or more for the case to come to trial won’t want to read this, but it’s something they and everyone else interested in the case ought to know.

This isn’t something that’ s going to go away. What’s more, the prosecutors who brought the charges are known for moving trials ahead quickly; a trial could start before the NFL season is more than a week or two old. The odds of conviction are very high.

This comes to me courtesy of my friend Michael Gilberti, a former assistant U.S. District Attorney who is now a defense attorney in Red Bank, N.J.

With some edits for length, here’s the e-mail he sent me this morning:

"If you have not seen the text of the indictment, you can see it at thesmokinggun.com. As a former prosecutor and present defense attorney, I can safely say that Michael Vick a/k/a "Ookie" has real legal problems. It appears from the text of the indictment that there are at least two cooperating witnesses ("scumbag cooperators") who had direct dealings with him. At least one of them is a person whose dogs fought Vick’s dogs, and my guess is that it is someone who has "flipped" and, in defense parlance, is "singing for his supper." While defense lawyers love to yell about that, if the government has any corroboration for the person’s story (e.g., photos, receipts, consensual body wires or phone taps), the defense can yell all it wants, but a jury will most likely believe the scumbag cooperator. If there are two cooperators who corroborate each other, the chances of being acquitted go down dramatically, especially if there is similar corroboration for the second cooperator.

"Several other points: The Eastern District of Virginia is known as "the Rocket Docket" because . . . it moves cases quickly. Initially, at arraignment, the Court will set a trial date within 70 days of the arraignment date . . .

"While it has been correctly said that you can indict a ham sandwich . . .

in most jurisdictions (and unlike the Duke lacrosse case), the U.S. Attorney will not indict a case unless the government has evidence sufficient to convict the defendant. The vast majority of federal cases end in conviction.

. . Also you have to consider that the government has the advantage of conducting, and the resources to conduct, as much investigation as is necessary to get the evidence to support a conviction and can control the timing (within the five-year statute of limitation). This is especially true in a high visibility case, like this one, in a tough District like the Eastern District of Virginia. In short: the government holds most, if not all, of the cards.

"Assuming that the government has the evidence to prove most of the facts stated in the indictment, I believe that Vick has serious problems. And it is entirely possible that, if he does not negotiate a guilty plea, he will be found guilty (barring jury nullification)."

Just thought you should know.

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Pretty scary stuff for Mr. Vick. As a gigantic fan of both college and pro football I've been saddened to see all the arrests and things over the past few years, but I gotta say that this case bothers me more than the Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and Chris Henry cases combined (and I don't even like dogs). It's sad to see a guy so infinitely talented throw it all away on something stupid like this (no matter his direct involvement he was at least aware of these things happening on his property and that's just as bad). I think Roger Goodell has no choice but to suspend Vick for at least a half-season, if not full or life. However, from the sound of it Vick has more problems to worry about than if he ever plays football again.
I am gravely sorry there is no death penalty for this crime.  Any team who that winds up with this scum should go broke, and I hope it happens.
Michael Vick is a MORON.  He deserves to be banned from the NFL forever...
IF he is guilty....let him rot in jail.  Having rescued several dogs used for training in dog fighting, it is cruelty beyond my understanding as a human being and I have no empathy for him.  My hope if the charges are true is that he serves the rest of career in Prison and then subsists in a minimum wage job.
    If the statements held forth in the indictment are found to be true by a jury, it is my sincere hope that Mr. Vick spend every second of that six years in the worst hell-hole the legal system can find. To breed and raise innocent animals to be used and abused in such a manner is the epitome of human arrogance. I'm sure he was raised to know better, and now he'll have to lie in the bed he has made for himself....... What a fool, and what a waste....  
This case should serve as a warning to all people involved in animal abuse. People WILL find out. You sadistic morons will be punished.  I only wish it could be in the same ways that the dogs are punished...electrocution, hanging, drowning, etc.


This one defies logic.  In the "What Were They Thinking?" Hall of Fame, Mr. Vick has gotten himself elected without any mandatory waiting period.  Assuming (and we do live in a pretty good country where things must be proven) that the charges are true, this is not a matter where confusion, ambiguity or ignorance of the law is a mitigating factor.  Mr. Vick seems to be either incredibly stupid or a rotten human being or both and that is just sad.  Someone has to help me out here, because I did not think anyone was this dumb.
Just finished reading all 18 pages of legal-ese in this case. Four CWs (cooperating witnesses)! Even if all of them balk, it seems like the Feds can easily follow the "money flow" for the whole operation, plus bets, and they seem to mostly focus on "Ookie" (MV). The one thing most noticable "in between the lines" here is, Ookie's performance in another QB-type role (as exec producer/financier for Bad Newz Kennels). Just with his jobs with the Falcons, MV or Ookie's dogs can't seem to win the big ones. The Bad News Kennels dogs track record for the big $$ matches is pathetic. Just like Vick leading the Falcons in the NFL playoffs. Funny sidenote, Google "rape stand dog fighting" for images. All search results refer to the NFL. Not good for the league!
I hope he is banned from the NFL for what he has done. It is sick and cruel.
If the man is guilty then he deserves everything they throw at him.
Instead of jail time, perhaps we could drop Mike into the ring with several of his hungry canine companions and see who will eventually need electrocuting next.

I grew up in Georgia. I am a big Falcon fan. I am horrified, discusted, and for the first time in 29 years of watching the Atlanta Falcons, I will boycott my team if the NFL and the Atlanta Falcons let Vick play.
I was watching the morning sport shows this morning.  They were trying to make it a black or white issue and to impose that since this is his first real "offense" against the legal system, he should be spared.

Since when have we stopped expecting that professionals act like professionals?  First time offense or not, we must have high standards for our pro athletes.  The NFL should act decisively on this issue and hold players accountable for illegal activities, in particular, felonies and acts of endangerment.

Professional athletes are role models and those standards shouldn't be compromised, even on the first "offense".
No Matter what happens, it appears that Mr. Vick is in serious, serious, trouble.  Thank you for posting this, "Open Mike".  This gives us NFL fans a true perspective.  
Good! They should turn the dogs loose on him.
He obviously wasn't doing it for the money - so what's his problem?  He makes me sick and I want to see him in prison.  How unfair and cruel to the pitbulls who had no choice but to fight for thier lives, only to be disgarded like a piece of garbage when they were literally torn apart.  Absolutely disgusting!!!!!!!!!
He should have admitted to the horrible act, been contrite and donated a pot of money to the Humane Society, and he would have gotten away with it.  Instead, he was greedy and in my opinion "sick" to be involved in such a cruel activity.  You had a great life ahead of you, and now you are going to be labeled a bully and much worse.  Way to go Vick
This "man" OKed the electrocution of a losing dog; he has an unknown amount of animal blood on his hands; most of those who are cruel to animals are consistently shown to eventually move to hurting humans; he already is employed in a sport which is actively violent (though I must profess I am a fan of said sport).  To think he won't be convicted is naive.  Once more evidence gets out, no one will want this guy in the NFL, or anywhere near them.  A lifetime ban by the NFL is in order, as well as a conviction with a lengthy jail sentence.  This potential ticking time bomb is a threat to others as well as to dogs and other animals.  He is as far from humane as one can get without having killed a human, but given the statistics, should we take the risk?  
Even if someone doesn't care about the animal cruelty, these dog fighting & breeding businesses involve often millions of dollars changing hands yearly.

Gambling on fights, breeding & selling the dogs (too often these breeding operations are unlicensed and uninspected.)

All of that income goes unreported. None of it is TAXED.

These dog fighting people are cheating every citizen in this country.
Vic knew this was coming and so did we. He has been cancelling all of his charity events recently and the only explantation for his "non-explanations" is that he was spending his last remaining free days with family and trying to find a way out of this mess!!
Hi Mike..Im Tony Cochran,im also a defense attorney.

What you might also want to tell your readers is,this is an indictment full of accusations. "Accusations" = He Say/She Say.

And as long as there is no credible evidence (pictures,taped phone calls,email,video of him at these events or talking about it,or his mom testifying that he knew what was going on then this is a slam dunk,and even my 3 year old and get him out of this.

Michael Vick should be banned from the NFL immediately.  He is a disgrace to the human race and to all sports fans.  Anyone who gets enjoyment out of watching dogs fight are sick and should be locked up.
Bad Newz kennels has some real bad news forthcoming.Vick will hang, Peace, Phillips and Taylor will turn on Vick, I doubt if they have the money to fight federal government and the out cry of pet owners, they will tell all, Feds will offer a deal they cannoEEt turn down, Vick you are scum and you have thrown your last NFL FB that will mean anything. Vick may have cost the Atlanta Falcons a team, ESPN reports Blacks for VICK.
I'm outraged.  I even went out to the Falcons website and sent them this email:
I hope you do the right thing and release Mr Vick from his contract for the horrible horrible crime he has been indicted for by a Federal Grand jury.  I understand that everyone is considered innocent until proven guilty but come on, the evidence is pretty compelling and the lives of those innocent animals.  Who speaks for them?  We live in some pretty terrible times with the war going on and murder rates as high as they are across the country, unemployment, I could go on and on.  We don't have a heck of a whole lot of things that we can be happy about, so we have our sports for entertainment.  So to have someone like Mr. Vick who makes a wonderful living at a great sport and makes a great living from endorsements as well but that's not enough so he takes something like innocent animals and does something so horrible, unspeakably horrible all the while still smiling for the camera's.  That is so incredibly wrong.  If you allow him to keep playing then you are saying that you as the Atlanta Falcon's don't care about anything but the bottome line.... the money.  Please say that isn't so.  
For Mr. Vick to say he didn't know anything like that was happening on his property.......come on.... seriously...
Yes, I have a dog and she's my pal and if someone were to try to hurt her, well, let's just say, they would have to go through me.

Think they'll care???? I just don't understand why more people aren't screaming about this!  If I lived near this guy I would be picketing out near his house.........
forgot to say, I've emailed Nike about his endorsement deal with them too.....
Mike "Ookie" Vick and his verminous, lowlife subhuman buddies need due-charging, trial, conviction, sentencing and <s>execution</s> prison, IMO.

Any piece of degenerate garbage who does that to an animal, needs to be put into a cage, for a very long time. Though I'd much prefer execution for all 4, America doesn't have the backbone, spine or guts, anymore, to do what's right.

Hells bells, we now let murderers, child rapists and all sorts of subhuman filth out of prison, instead of sending them to hell, for final judgement.

Don't get me wrong: I think the pit bull breed should be 'phased-out', as there is no useful reason to keep viscious animals - and that goes for the two-legged types, too - alive in society. But cruelty to any animal, be it 2-legged or 4-legged, is beyond the pale, and should be dealt with, ultra-harshly.

Oh gosh, oh golly, I hear the pitter-patter of Liberal-demokkkRATs (Liberalism Is A Mental Disorder&reg;) and running to refute the prosecution and persecution of garbage/trash/scum like Vick and the other 40,000+ deviants, degenerates and lowlifes, who participate in this clandestine, and banned in all 50 states, <s>sport</s> horror.

I'll be rooting for The Eastern District of Virginia Prosecutors, this time - as opposed to the criminal Nifong and lowlife, Sutton - and truly-hoping that they don't relent and let the disgraced, criminal "stupid-star", Vick & Co, off the hook, with a mere slap on the wrist.

Screw so-called 'celebrity-dom'; do what's right and prosecute the scumbag bastards, "Rocket Docket" court!

America will be watching; count on it.
Thanks for the good news about this sadistic, stupid evil-doer.  The sad irony of all this --- beyond the sadness for the poor dogs themselves --- is that Vick went to Virginia Tech.
If money buys this guy out,and it will. Then it's time for us "poor people" to say, "enough is enough".  Justice is to the rich, it's denied to the poor because they can't pay for the high priced lawyers.  This country is in enough trouble without adding junk like this. Look at the facts, this BUM is guilty.  How could he not know what was going on.    
Good.  If Vick or anyone for that matter is so sick as to humiliate, torture and kill these animals (or finance / facilitate it)  they deserve to be ruined and punished harshly.
I read the indictment and I'm shocked at this...I knew this sort of stuff went on.  I used to live in North Carolina and I heard of dog fighting.  But reading this indictment is sickening and brings this into a different light. I can't believe the extent of cruelty.  

I have written both the NFL & Atlanta Falcons, demanding more be done (than let this play out).  

I would like to join with others to boycott these organizations until something more is done.  

Any ideas?

Robert
Vick will never be convicted.  He's got the money to hire the best defense team in the country.  They'll pick the right jury, pick the right venue and then they will find every hole in the state's case.  It will be just like OJ.  I say Vick will start every game this season (barring injury).
About time you did your homework before writing an article.
Marcus is starting to look like the model citizen of the two brothers.
Michael Vick needs to be run out of town on a rail. He is supposed to be a ROLE MODEL for kids but thats out with the wash now. Atlanta needs to cut it's loses and fire the bum!
The real problem with soooo many sports figures is that they have had a charmed life in which they have not heard the word, "No," for many, many years.  From tragedies like Len Bias to disasters like Pacman Jones and moody, whiney bullies like Barry Bonds, sooner or later the ones making the negative headlines all believe in their own immortality or divinity.  Or maybe they have been taking a form of Viagra that inflates their egos.  They need to be required to recite the following 100 times every day: "Getting paid millions of dolars to play [fill in sport name] is better than actually working for a living."
Bye Mike! Enjoy the ride as another stupid, yes YOU Mike Vick are a stupid overpaid athelete who lives in a dream world ONLY, because you have some money. Nothing else. Good bye and good riddance.
I would bet that the Falcons had some inkling this thing was coming down. Any franchise that doesnt have good tabs on its star athelete risks its reputation.
Falcons........fire this man NOW!
I could forgive the alleged drug use, and even forget he settled with a woman who alleged he gave her herpes. However, I will not forgive taking defenseless animals who cannot consent to the activity they are being forced into. I think Vick is a heartless human being, lacking basic decency. If a person could show such depraved indifference do an animal, how would they treat human beings? He doesn't need the money, so he's stupid as well. The Falcons don't need him and neither does the NFL.
Good email.  I hope Mike Vick aka Ron Mexico aka Ookie goes to jail.  Dog fighting is a disgusting crime.  And anyone who can kill a dog by hanging it or body slamming it to the ground is sick and deserves to go to jail.  The NFL needs to ban him for life.
I sure hope he has legal problems.  I hope he gets suspended and eventually found guilty.  If left up to me jail time and a fine ae not good enough - I'd
put him in a pen with his dogs....end of story
good.  this "sport" is an outrage in civilized society and the example of a high-profile and, naturally, shockingly stupid criminal getting caught red-handed, indicted, convicted and sentenced in full view of the public will send the right message to anyone with half a brain.  criminals will get caught and will pay the price.  i'm going to enjoy watching this.
There is no doubt in any reasonable person's mind that Vick did these awful things. I am equally as sure, Vick will never be punished for his deeds. I feel awful for these animals (the four legged dogs, not the two-legged ones). Vick enjoys that "thug life" attitude and all the infamous surroundings. It would be nice to see him get the max (6 years in prison and a 350k fine). However, Vick's down fall will be the NFL discipline (the 1 year suspension) and losing his endorsements. Vick will never just "sit" a whole year. He will try to go overseas to play. Vick needs to be humbled.
As a former homicide investigator I know all too well the issues of "Scumbag songbirds"--they are however a nessasary evil in our system of lawenforcement,---sometime they are the only ones that can get the 'convicting' evidence on the SCUMBAG target!-- besides, it is unusual to see 'nuns' at dogfight event's, therefore the 'snitch scumbag' are a nessasary evil,---I hope they throw the entire book at Vick, he is a real piece of work.
I guess now probably wouldn't be a good time to point out that murderers, especially of the serial kind almost always start out with cruelty to animals. For that matter some do both types of crimes in parallel. The point being, maybe the US Attorney should look a little deeper in Vick's (and everyone involved) past.

On a second note it looks like the NFL and team are supporting Vick even in light of these horrible findings. They are using the judicial system as a shield to cover their current inaction. A man can only be convicted 'beyond a reasonable doubt' in a criminal court. It seesm the NFL is using the same guidelines here and in fact waiting for Vick to be convicted. Nike is taking a similiar stance. For their purposes, both the NFL and Nike, that is an unacceptable stance. They have enough of the facts from the indictment to make an independent decision. As usual football and the dollar protecting football.


I never write complaint letters but here goes....

How can the NFL continue to support Michael Vick, when 55 dogs ( or more depending on which news story)were found on his property starving, and mistreated- allegedly used for dogfighting ? How can that not violate the personal conduct code for the NFL? He should at the very least get a suspension....If we don't say this is WRONG, what are we teaching our children?

I'm completely horrified at this news, and it will be a LONG time before I watch the NFL again.


Thanks,

I read all the articles on MSNBC regarding VICK and DOG FIGHTING.  The think what got me the most was what NIKE said "A statement released by Nike Inc. said the company “is concerned by the serious and highly disturbing allegations made against Michael Vick, and we consider any cruelty to animals inhumane and abhorrent. We do believe that Michael Vick should be afforded the same due process as any citizen; therefore, we have not terminated our relationship.

No need to worry NIKE because my family had already terminated their relationship with you.  When you didn't halt your money making pursuit on VICKS endorsed NIKE Products during the allegations and initial investigations of VICK, I terminated my relationship with NIKE products by refusing to purchase and no longer consume any NIKE name/logo, period-end of story.  I am a animal (especially dog) lover, not activist, but a lover.  I hope that other familys stay clear of purchasing or consuming NIKE products and choose ADIDAS, REEBOK, NEW BALANCE, etc. in MEMORY of all the dogs who have been injured or died in due to the ILLEGAl dog fighting practices.  Good luck with your due process with VICK, hope you can afford it.  Your are who you support (NIKE supports VICK), I don't.
I agree with the assessment of Michael Vick's chances against this indictment.  The Feds don't give out that kind of detail lightly and they must be extremely certain of their factual accuracy.

Unfortunately, nothing can be done for the countless number of innocent dogs who were horribly abused and killed by these sick people.

All we can hope is that this case gets the national media exposure that will result in higher awareness and stronger prosecution of these heinous crimes.

I put Michael Vick right alongside the rapists and child molesters and deserves to be dealt with harshly.
To the person who thinks dog fighting is ok.  If you are so stupid not to hnow the difference, take a choice.  Go in a room with a person with a 357 or another room with a trained killer dog.
Sounds terribly bad for Vick. For the life of me I cannot understand how someone with the means and enjoyment that comes with such means would turn to this sport for entertainment. Vick could own as many houses, sportscars, pornstars, drugdealers, videogames, women, dancers, women, and women as he wanted to. Every conceivable vice that a man with means could have, is available to Vick...yet he apparently was into this dogfighting.

This says a lot about the thug culture that is prominent amongst black athletes.....and if you think I'm being racist, do some research. The writing is clearly on the wall.
Let us all hope Vick goes to jail for a very long time
I am really upset about Vick. As a dog lover I hope he will get suspended from his team or fired if they can.What is wrong with this world that people do such horrable things to animals that will always love you.


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