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Rutgers fans acted like idiots

Posted: Friday, September 14, 2007 7:49 AM

We spend a lot of time talking about how poorly behaved athletes are. But unless your name is Michael Vick, it’s hard to do anything more disgusting than what students at Rutgers the State Embarrassment of New Jersey did last week when Navy came to play football in Piscataway.

Rutgers invented intercollegiate football in 1869 and spent the next 137 years trying to figure out how to play it. Last year it finally found a lot of things that it hadn’t seen before: a great season, a top 10 national ranking, a bowl game win over a major opponent, ticket scalpers at Rutgers Stadium and celebrities in the crowd.

Apparently, it was too much for some of the student body to handle. Given a national stage for the first time ever, they used it to shower an overmatched Navy team with obscenities.

The Associated Press story on our site summarizes what happened and the apologies issued by Rutgers, but you owe it to yourself to read the column by Mark DiIonno in The Star-Ledger that made this a national story.

A blog called xavierthoughts reprints the column with the words he couldn’t use in a family newspaper along with the letters of apology from Rutgers. If you don’t mind coarse language, you can find it here.

The only issue I have with DiIonno’s column is that he feels the vicious language was worse because it was directed at players who will shortly be in harm’s way serving their country. But there are no degrees of offensiveness in this case. The language the Rutgers students used should not be directed against anyone, especially in a public setting, where it is sure to offend the sensibilities of the majority of those there.

Rutgers says it was a small number of students, but there were enough of them participating in the vile chants for the Navy players to have heard what they were saying. They were loud enough for people with young children to be outraged.

The apology, quite frankly, is too little too late. For the chant to be heard, it had to be coming from groups of students sitting together. So where were the security guards? Why didn’t anyone start throwing people out of the stadium, confiscating their student IDs, and making sure they never got into another Rutgers game again? Why didn’t the public address announcer not ask the idiots to stop bringing such shame and disgrace on themselves and their school?

People behave badly because we allow them to. It’s really that simple. Maybe you couldn’t throw them all out, but you could get some of them. Apparently, no one did anything, though. And if DiIonno hadn’t written his column, it may have gone unnoticed, only to be repeated at the next game.

Madison Square Garden once had a problem with foul-mouthed drunks masquerading as Rangers’ fans. Management finally decided enough was enough, beefed up security, and started lifting the tickets of the offenders. The Mets had a similar problem in the mid-1980s with their fans. They took the same approach that the Garden took and eliminated it.

Rutgers – and every other college whose fans take school spirit into four-letter territory – can do the same.

Meanwhile, someone needs to teach these jerks that their team has had exactly one good year. It’s a little early to act as if they own the world.

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While indefensable in ANY venue, this kind of behavior is not being addressed anywhere.  The Mets haven't elimianted their problem from the '80s.  I attended a Yankees-Mets game in May at Shea and heard 27 group chants of "Yankees S**k" vs. 3 chants of "Let's Go Mets".  I was in fear of physical harm on after the game both outside the stadium and on the 7 train.  And let's not forget the "Boston S**ks" chants at Yankee Stadium.  As a Yankee fan since the 50's, I say its gotta stop now.
If you think this is an isolated incident then think again.  Rutgers football and basketball fans act poorly on a consistent basis.  Having suffered through their behavior at the 2004 NIT semifinals I became a big Michigan fan for the finals.  However, the only reason their behavior became a story is because an East COast sports writier objected in print.  This behavior is unfortunately common across college campuses and high schools.  The more we tolerate this behavior and focus accolades only on the winners and not the joy of the game them more we reap what we sow.
I was at that game and in the very section that DiIonno claims was such a disgrace.  Here's the word - nothing happened.  At most you might have had a couple of folks up front but even that is doubtful as the Rutgers cheerleaders were right in front of that section and performing their routines with no interruption.

Had that column not been written my wife and I would have been totally unaware that something supposedly happened.  The Rutgers play by play radio announcer had the same experience and he had a crowd microphone going.

I've been at plenty of games with a hostile crowd.  This was NOT one of them.

The problem we have here is one of a columnist with a deadline but not a story.  We should be hearing apologies from him - not Rutgers.
Please, you want to go around and censor people because you don't like what you say and yet at the same time you want us to respect poeople who defend this country?  What fucking good is defending a country if you can't say what you damn-well please.  Get a clue, it's kids at a game getting fired up and acting ridiculous, everyone's acting like somebody made a bowl out of a dude's head and started munching on some brains or something.  Plus, did it ever occur to you that some people are not thankful for our servicemen and women?  Did it ever occur to you that MOST of the country thinks the war is illegal?  Therefore anyone serving "our country" (ie. special interest lobbies which NBC is definetly a part of) is a criminal in their opinions?  Once again, get a clue, Mike, words like suck, fuck, and asshole (all of which you talked about, without printing . . . now there's journalistic integrity) are just simply not as offensive as they used to be.  Just like Nigger is no longer an acceptable term to use, the etymology of "You fuckin' suck, asshole" is nowhere near as offensive as it used to be.
Mike - I think that you jumped on the bandwagon late with this story.  While I do not condone the actions of the students involved, I think its inappropriate to single out a single university and by default, an entire student population.  It might even be considered hypocrisy when you judge a school of 30,000 students by the actions of a few hundred fans at a game - while you turn around and call an entire student body "jerks".  The fact that a public apology was issued by the university speaks volumes about the administration of the school.  In criticizing a small group of fans for failing to take the high road, you have used your large platform to one-up a local sports writer and insult an even larger group of Rutgers students and alumni.  RC'05
This article is hilarious. Do you really think that their comments were that bad? Try going to a Michigan State or University of Michigan game and listening to their pathetic comments.
It's New Jersey and your surprised?. Noty exactly known for the the friendliest folks. Rude?, YES, Polite?, not so much.
Read the comments from from "too much information" above for confirmation of what is wrong in Rutgers and indeed in much of the world today.  Without a doubt the poster is barely drinking age with juvenile, boorish manners, but that is what passes for acceptable manners in many of our young people today.  The Internet generation has no sense of decorum at all and will say and do anything in public.  Dignity is not a word which resides in their vocabulary.  In certain parts of the country (like NJ but in others too) it is even more acceptable.  Their work ethic is often abysmal and they expect to be paid a good salary for generally poor reliability and performence.  In short they are spoiled brats!!  We spoiled them so it is probably our fault.

I am ex military and proud of it but it isn't about this being a military academy team, this is about simple bad manners which are everywhere these days.  

Call me, "Sick of the Me, Me, Me Generation"...
I'm a little late, sorry. Don Imus, in a skit intended to be humorous, uses what was classified as foul language towards the Rutgers Women's Basketball team. The two supposed Reverends (Sharpton & Jackson) (I was thinking from now on we just say Sharp Jackson to cover them both, but folks would think it was the mayor of either Camden or Newark!) get involved and Imus is run out of radio on a rail. A large portion of Rutgers football fans use even worse language towards the Navy Football team and they get off with an apology letter by the Rutgers Atheletic Director? What's wrong with this picture?
Unfortunately, society as a whole seems to be accepting this type of language. As Joe,East Lansing said "Do you really think their comments were that bad?" Well, yes, some of us still do. These scenes are repeated at about all college fields on game day. As long as we say that it comes with the territory,I'll not take my kids nor grandkids to a place to be subjected to this behaviour.... Guess that makes me and them the losers. I hate to seem "Holier than thou" but we need to get a grip....


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