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Not collusion, just market value

Posted: Friday, November 09, 2007 1:43 AM

Collusion is a bad thing, we all have to admit that. But we also have to admit that if Major League Baseball really is trying to hold down Alex Rodriguez’s next contract, we’d be willing to overlook our objection to price fixing.

That’s the fear raised on Thursday by the players association in a statement after the league’s G.M.s held their annual meeting. The club executives each shared information about their general goals for the offseason, and the union thinks such openness could have included discussions about how to hold costs down.

The teams say no specifics were involved. That leaves me imagining the Yankees saying, “We need a new third baseman. Anyone know where we can get one?” And the Devil Rays – oops, they’re now just the Rays, although even without the Devil in their name, they’re still hellish – said, “We’d like to win, but not so much that we’re willing to pay money to do it.”

And then they probably heard from Kansas City: “Goals? What’s a goal?” And the Red Sox: “We’d like to lord it over the Yankees again.” The Cubs: “Does anyone know how to exorcise a curse?” The Orioles: “We’re thinking of doing something dumb, but we haven’t figured out what it is, yet.” And so on.

Anyway, the union is worried, because the owners did this before, back in the 1980s, when they held down the price of free agents everywhere. Given that it cost them nearly $300 million to settle their debt to the union, it’s unlikely even baseball owners would be dumb enough to do it again.

Commissioner Bud Selig would no doubt love it if A-Rod didn’t get the $35 million a year he’s asking for. It would be terrific for the owners if A-Rod were forced to settle for pretty much what he was already getting. I’m willing to bet a lot of players would secretly applaud.
But there doesn’t have to be collusion for A-Rod not to get his price. The minute the Yankees dropped out of the bidding, A-Rod’s price went down. But if he has to sign somewhere for a mere $26-30 million a year, that’s hardly a sign of collusion. Cleveland, Colorado and Arizona all made the LCS with payrolls that weren’t even twice what A-Rod is asking. Most teams would see their payrolls shoot up 30 percent if they signed him. Collusion won’t hold down his salary – economic realities will.

As a concept, though, it makes sense for baseball executives to give their fellows a general idea of what they’re looking for. At the least, it saves everyone a lot of phone calls.

Everybody ends up knowing what everybody else is doing, anyway. All they have to do is read the papers and the Internet. Has there ever been a trade that wasn’t rumored well in advance? Has any team ever pursued a free agent and not had the contract offer leak out?

What’s to keep secret? 

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Donald Fehr and the players union will not be satisfied until every player in MLB has a contract that exceeds 100 million.  They are playing the owners against each other in a high stakes game, and that is ok, but they need to be careful what they wish for.  There  eventually will be a tipping point with the fans who pay for these salaries.  What are they going to do then?
I figured all along that if A-Rod and Boras did not get the money they want, Boras would cry "collusion" anyway.  But, hey, "It's not about the money".
I am a lifelong Yankee fan and I must say I am glad A Rod is gone. They didn't call him the "cooler" for nothing and he was the worst clutch hitter I have seen in a long while (considering his overall rep). If I was a team I would think long and hard about signing someone who brings what he brings. both good and bad.
For every Alex, there is a Mike Hampton who plays (or doesn't) well below acceptable levels.  For the union to cry foul smells more of greed than collusion.  Why should Hampton make millions sitting on the bench? Is Hampton's contract due to market value? No, it is due to expectations.  Someone, somewhere, thought he could pitch.  He hasn't in a few years. Yet, it is the vaunted "market value" that drives up Alex's price?  Well, markets go up and down, ask Wall Street.  Alex's huge contract started a new era of contracts, perhaps this next one will bring that era to a much appreciated end.  Play good baseball and the rest will take care of itself.
Pay-Rod
How much money do you really need? As a Yankees fan, I rooted for you. But now, I think it's time for you and your mouthpiece to find out that you can only push things so far, then you have to deal with the consequences...just like people in the real world. This isn't about collusion. This is about G.M.s not being as stupid as Tom Hicks. You're just not worth it.
Call it "collusion," call it "economic realities"...I don't care what you call it, as long as A-Rod doesn't get the money he's asking for from ANY team, I'll be happy.  While he's a great player and will definitely be a Hall of Famer, he doesn't understand that there is no "I" in team. That, coupled with his lack of production in the postseason SHOULD drive his worth down considerably.  There are plenty of postseason producers out there who understand the team concept, and I, for one, think that THEIR worth is more than that of Mr. Rodriguez.  
How much is enough? What is this guy worth? No player is worth the kind of money these players like Rodriguez are demanding. The average guy in this country earns less that 40,000. Is A-Rod worth a thousand times that? These are ball players. Not scientists. They aren't inventing anything to improve society. They contribute nothing. Wake up America. For one year....Stop buying products that advertise on these programs and support this insanity. Stop buying tickets. A few games with empty stands and these teams will begin to get the idea we've had enough
This collusion blurb was probably put out by Scott Boras as another ploy to get him and ARod the money they think their worth.  There is nothing Boras won't do, and he is slowly killing baseball.
To me it's just a matter who's willing to pay for him? I own a small business, if I want to hire someone and I won't or can't meet their salary demands they look elsewhere. Sometimes they cannot find someone willing to pay their asking price an must settle for what the market demands. Are small business owners in collusion? Who knows the real deal here, maybe owners aren't in collusion but A-Rod and Boras are in Dollusion!
It is high time that these obscene salary increases for professional athletes be brought under control.  $35 million for a ball player?  While I do believe that A-Rod is a good ball player with impeccible stats, I do NOT believe he is worth the price his agent is asking for.  A-Rod's tenure in New York was not dissimilar to Roger Maris's tenure in the early 60's (Mantle vs. Maris, A-Rod vs. Jeter).  All professional sports have priced themselves out of the household budget of most middle-income fans.  Maybe A-Rod will be the test case for the DECREASING of players' salaries.  Collusion?  NAH! Just good business sense.
What I fail to understand about A-Rod is what does he want his legacy to consist of.  Even though the age of 31 or 32 is still young in baseball years, he is still coming to the end.  I would hate to be considered one of the greatest ball players ever, never to win a World Series ring.  That is why I wonder if he is more concerned with money than winning.  He was making an extrodinary amount of money with the Yankees and chose to leave for more money.  I thought that is why he left Texas, to win a championship. The Yankees and maybe a few other teams are the only one's who can afford to pay him that amount and remain competitive.  I hope he takes all the money he can get and cripples his next team financially so he will be back in the same situation he was in Texas.
Now there's a smart man, writing a simple, yet logical explanation of A-Rod's stupidity for the opt-out.  He was better off loafing and getting guaranteed money, rather than thinking his less than stellar tenure with the Yankees actually deserved a pay raise.  Thanks, Mike.
Collusion? If you want to complain about collusion look at the gas prices.  A-Rob getting $24 million instead of $35 million is just fair market price for a player of his caliber and would be his just reward.
I don't see the necessity for collusion when Boras has priced A-Rod completely out of the market. It can't possibly be a sound investment for an owner to pay that kind of money for him. The possibility for a return on that kind of investment in a single player just isn't there, neither in terms of ticket sales nor in fielding a winning team. It's a losing proposition at that price.
he should be 'forced' to play for 'only' 20 mill a year - or - simply sit out the season !
I would be happy to see the GM's "collude" over salaries over $10million per year!!!  For crying out loud, the GM's and owners created this "salary" problem themselves when they agreed to pay any amount for anyone!
They are pricing me out of the ballpark.  At one time, I had Sunday season tickets (in the good old days) now I am lucky to afford 2 or 3 games a year (drive of 2 hours, parking "gasp", food "I can starve, really", and a new pin or two).  Soooo, think twice or three times about what is paid, if you want to keep some of us middle class in the ballpark!
If the commisioner is steering baseball exec's at all with respect to any particular contract that is fundamentally wrong.  Whether A-Rod makes 100m or 300m is irrelevant, the market should dictate.  Saying other players are secretly wishing A-Rod doesn't maximize his value is overlooking the facts that his last contract afforded Manny and others to get their 9 figure contracts.
 Why was it OK for the Yankees to hug the headlines with respect to Torre and not OK for A-Rod to declare free agency during the World Series.  The commisioner's office could easily put controls in place to squelch these things just by contractual language.  I can't believe the people are getting worked up over some media announcement.  I'd bet the bank the Red Sox could care less as they were dancing on during their victory parade
Really, how much is too much? Everything reaches a saturation point whether its real estate or A-Rod's salary.It's just an exercise in the crazy egos of an agent and a player who wants to be the highest paid. Does his lifestyle effectively change when his yearly salary (for a freakin'7-month year) goes from 25 to 30 million. It's just conterproductive, self-serving, selfish and arrogant. Wait....I just described most professional athletes!
The collective baseball fan base, particularly the Yankee fan base which I am a proud member of, is not so stupid as to fall for the collusion story. We all know what this is...Scott Boras has finally screwed up and cannot find the contract he was so confident he could find. In short, the mighty Scott has at long last, Struck Out...
Mike,

  Can't agree more.  But let's add a few things to speculate where A-Rod might be going next season. Out of the 30 teams in MLB, we really can't expect any of the 23 teams with a 2007 payroll less than $100M to cough up %30 more just to get A-Rod.  Remember, out of this group, there's a few teams that are still trying to get used to their "current overextended payrolls", let alone adding to their non-playoff making misery. The CUBS might be the only exception in this group, having at least shown in the recent past that they will leave their wallet open long enough to really stay competitive in the free agent marketplace.  
  So unless one of the other 22 completely loses their mind, or is in dire need of a "SHORTSTOP" (where Rodriguez should really be playing), then by the process of elimination, and excluding the Yankees for obvious reasons, there are 6 possible alternatives.
  I tend to rule out Boston mostly on current fan sentiment, especially after the Boras/A-Rod 8th inning insult.  However, even if despised by every living breathing Red Sox fan(and perhaps even some who have passed on), A-Rod could come back to burn the Yankees year after year and that could go a long way to making amends.  Besides, Theo's got to decide what to do with Lugo after next year, and the increase in payroll would make the YANKS and the SOX about even steven .... edge to the SOX in total team completeness.
  Then there's the Mets.  Mets fans generally accept any trade-in, and other than the fact that they don't need a 3rd baseman or shortstop, Reyes could move to 2nd base to make room.  Unfortunately, that would bring the payroll up to $145M, without having spent a dime on sorely needing pitching.  I think the Met's $$ could be better spent in procuring some NEW & IMPROVED pitching and pass on A-Rod.
  Out of the last 4 teams (Angels, White Sox,Dodgers, and Mariners), let's discard the ;ast three names (let's face it .. those teams need more than one player can provide ... even if it's A-Rod with a cape!!)  That leaves the Angels.  An American League team in a large market, looking towards to the future.  And with the length of the contract (let's face it, you never know what the next 10 years will bring), at least they can use him as a pich/DH on his days off or if he's dinged up a little.  For $300M+, I'm figuring that whoever gets him better get as much mileage out those bucks as thay can.
  So that's it in a very large nutshell.  My guess .... skip the Mets and the Cubs ... and let's go right to the Red Sox and the Angels.  
  Neck and neck, wallet to wallet, right down to the wire.  And the winner .. in a photo finish  .... IS .....

SURPRISE ....  The Red Sox.  
I am a baseball fan through and through and find it hard to wrap myself around the idea of a 30 million dollar price tag, especially when there are endorsement opportunities out there for him. Who exactly does he think he is, I know.. I know.. he's A-ROD.
Looks like the owners are wising up to the notion that they can't keep on sticking it to the "fans" for support of their "hobbie". This is business and sooner or later economics will kick in and salaries get normalized.  But hey, let's call foul when we're the ones doing the pushing and don't get our way.  
I don't care what A-Rod gives back to the community, but don't ever use the term roll model and A-Rod in the same sentence - EVER.  The only thing he and his agent stand for is GREED!  I hope it jumps up and takes a big bite out of him.  
DOESN'T ANYONE SEE THE INSANITY OF PAYING SOMEONE THAT MUCH MONEY TO PLAY A GAME, WHILE THOSE WHO PROTECT US, EDUCATE US, AND CARE FOR OUR CHILDREN AND ELDERLY EARN SO LITTLE FOR DOING THEIR MUCH MORE IMPORTANT JOBS?
Collusion my rear end!! MLB is a "business" just like any other business. If I own a company and at the end of the year I decide I want to hold down costs and NOT hire anyone or, if I do, hire them at what I want to pay them for I will. MLB has the same right. If they want to hold down costs they have NO obligation to hire or sign any free agents at whatever ridiculous price they may be asking. Screw the Players Union!! They don't pay the bills, MLB and the paying public does. The collusion factor got old the very first day the union brought it up. Give it a rest.
A-Rod is overpaid, Just like 95% of all sport figures....
Somehow I don't feel sorry at all for A-Rod and his A-Hole agent. There is a point at which no single player is worth more to the team. Yes the Yankees want to win every year, but even they don't see A-Rod being worth the kind of money they are commanding. It is not like he can be in all positions and dominate the game from his position like some basketball players are able to do. For once, it looks like the owners are finally wising up to the fact that you don't have to sign him if they want too much money.
Can it really be called collusion if it's only one player?  It works to the benefit of all the other teams who don't sign A-Rod, since the team that does sign him will probably not have enough money to sign (good) pitchers and other players.  If the Angels sign him, isn't that good for the Yankees, BoSox, etc. since that means the other players will have to come to them for a deal?
Face it, A-rod opted out of New York, as much as he opted out of his contract.  As much as he wants to be paid, he wants to be loved even more, and that wasn't ever going to happen in the Bronx.  It won't happen anywhere where winning is an expectation.  The best place for A-rod is San Francisco, where the fans have already proven that you don't have to win, you don't even have to be likeable to be loved.  Just put up MVP/Hall-of-Fame type numbers and you can be as big a jerk as you want, do whatever you want, when you want (see Barroid Bonds 1992-2007) but still be adored.  The Giants would only have to make sure that he remains the highest-paid player in the game.  It's a match made in heaven.
I'm not in favor of collusion, but in A-Rod's case I'm willing to live with it.  What kind of jerk opts out of a $20m-$25m per year contract just so he can make even more money?  Regardless of whether he's the best baseball player on Earth, his greed is endless and disgusting.


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