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With Ortiz out, how about Bonds?

Posted: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 8:58 PM

You don’t lose a player like David Ortiz and not feel it. And if Boston loses Big Papi for the season – and don’t count out that possibility – it’s going to be the biggest challenge this team has faced since it claimed its place as one of baseball’s elite teams.

The word out of Boston is that he’ll be out about four weeks with a partially torn sheath on one of the tendons on the top of his left hand. The sheath holds the tendon in place, and the injury is said to be similar to the one Curt Schilling had on his ankle back in 2004 – you know, the bloody-sock injury. With the sheath torn, the tendon slides back and forth over bone. This is painful – too painful for Ortiz to continue playing. If it’s still too painful when he tries to come back, he’ll go under the knife and it’s bye-bye Papi until next season.

I don’t know if it will be an insurmountable problem. According to the Boston Herald, Ortiz has missed 43 games in five years and the Red Sox are 32-11 in those games – a nifty .744 winning percentage.

But those 43 games weren’t consecutive and Ortiz has never been on the disabled list. It’s one thing for everyone to lift their games for a short period to make up for a star’s absence. Doing it every day for months on end is when it becomes a problem.

Ortiz’s doctors are hoping that they can relieve the soreness by immobilizing the wrist and hand for two weeks in a cast. The Red Sox hope they’re right.

Boston is a strong team, maybe the strongest in baseball. And the Red Sox organization is one of the best. This year, they’ve survived injuries to Mike Lowell, Schilling – he’s been out all year – Clay Buchholz, Sean Casey, Josh Beckett, and Daisuke Matsuzaka. Still, they’re right up there at the top of the division with the surprising Rays.

But one of the reasons for the team’s success over the past five years is Ortiz. Since he arrived in 2003 and teamed with Manny Ramirez in the heart of the batting order, Boston has won more games than any team not named the Yankees. They’ve also won two world championships.

They have great hopes of winning another this year, but to do that, they have to fill the hole in the middle of the line-up, and extra helpings of Coco Crisp aren’t the answers.

Eric Wilbur of The Boston Globe points out in his blog that when Manny Ramirez missed 23 games last year, the Red Sox won the division anyway. But they also lost half of their six-game lead over the Yankees during that time.

This year, Toronto is playing great baseball after a lousy start, the Yankees are always capable of big things, the Orioles are greatly improved, and those pesky Rays are hanging around the top of the division.

Wilbur has a suggestion for a replacement if the injury doesn’t get better – Barry Bonds. He was in Boston – a city he once called racist – last summer during interleague play, and at the time, it was reported that he really liked the city.

According to The Globe, “"He genuinely enjoyed himself here," said one teammate. "He walked around the city a lot and people were really nice to him. They weren't yelling at him, or yelling stuff at him or anything like that. People were very respectful of him. I think for a lot of us, this was kind of a test because we heard Boston would be rough on him. In the ballpark, sure there were the asterisks that people were holding up, and the "Steroids!" chants and all the things he's seen and heard before. So that part wasn't any different. The part that was different is the reception he got on the streets. And even the reception he got when he hit the home run."

BALCO Barry Bonds in Boston?

He’s a big bat. He hits lefty. He draws a ton of walks. Just like Big Papi.

It’s crazy enough to make sense.

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Let me be the first to say....Please, don't sign Bonds.  As a lifelong Sox fan, I do not want to see the image of this team tarnished by bringing in the poster child for what is wrong in baseball.  We are a large market team with a large payroll. And we do expect success...but not at "all costs"  Please.  He may not have the same impact, but I'd rather see Griffey in a Sox uniform.  
You are crazy
This is some kind of nightmare!  I thought we'd seen the last of Bonds.  He's an embarassment to baseball and to all American sport.  I live in the San Francisco Bay area and couldn't root for the Giants while he played here.  I've been loving the Red Sox and their kind of ball.  If they have the bad taste to bring Bonds aboard, I'll curse them and root for them to lose every game while he's on the roster.  For this idea I have one final thought: BOOOOOOOO!
No, it's really not. I really fail to see how you still have a job a columnist Mike. Acts of desperation are not Epstein's style. Sticking Manny at DH and having three exceptional outfielders running all over the place could be enough to keep the organization from doing anything drastic. It could be bad for Papi, but we really don't know. And besides, Bonds would get DESTROYED by the Boston media.
I don't friggin' think so, Celizic, you Yankee lover! We'll take someone with some character, thank you very much, not that cheating, surly, press magnet. You can have him in the Bronx!
I think Mike Celizic would make a good fit in the DH slot, hat and all.
Please no more Barry Bonds!!!  Baseball is so much
better off without him.  His records after use of
steroids should be stricken from the books and it is
a joke to think of him as the HR King over Henry
Aaron.  Let's just hope no other players are lurking
around destroying their lives and reputations
A good reputation and respect are everything.
Thre is no way the Sox wiil offer Bonds a contact.
Bonds in Boston? I don't think George Mitchell or the BosSox faithful could handle that scenario. Won't happen.
The Sox DO NOT need Barry Bonds.  Nor does the sport!

   I don't care if this makes sense for you or not about Barry Bonds coming to play this year in Boston because Papi is hurt, ABSOLUTELY 100% NO THANKS!!!
This town and this ball club will be just fine without him! Look at his track record going all the way back to Arizona State, he is a selfish, cheating cancer, that destroys  locker room chemistry, if you don't believe me ask Oddibe McDowell about ASU, Andy Van Slyke about Pittsburgh or future HOF Jeff Kent what went on in San Francisco. NO WAY STAY AWAY!!!
You obviously don't know anything about the Boston sports world and the Red Sox in particular.  The Sox have plenty of talent to fill in the gap in the lineup.  Go start some other media hype with your buddies who still believe Joba Chamberlain is the Yankees almighty "savior".
There are better options than a really old steroid induced wash out who has the ego larger than the green monster.

They won't make any moves until they know Papi's status, and by the Trade Deadline they can move Crisp for a bat, one that could play the field on occasion, which is more than Bonds or Ortiz can do.

Repeat in 08!!
For the love of God, no.
If Boston even considers bringing in this looser BONDS, I will turn my back to baseball in general. BONDS is a cheater, and an artificial player who has tarnished the sport. No second. third chances in my books for him!
Bonds' career is over.  He has been out of baseball now for almost half a season and is only getting older.  What makes you think he can perform at his age now that he is off HgH and Roids?  Father time has probably caught up with him by now.  
Bonds is done! he is to old and really hasn't done much since he can no longer juice up. The media hype with bonds would kill boston's mojo. Bonds and his attitude needs to stay out of boston. He is a provin team killer. Palmerio would be a better fit at least he keeps his face and mouth out of the media.
They deserve each other
BASEBALL HAS NO NEED OF MR.BONDS. HE HAS SHAMED A GAME THAT HAS GIVEN HIM EVERYTHING. HE SHOULD ATONE AND MOVE ON WITH HIS LIFE. AS A SOX FAN I WOULD HOPE NEVER TO SEE HIM IN A SOX UNIFORM.
I hope Boston never gets that desperate.
Not in a million. Boston isn't desperate enough for a hitter that they would put up with all that surrounds Bonds. The Red Sox are about the team, the whole. Bonds is about himself. Not a chance.
Oh god! Not Bonds! Not only is he a drug user, but jail time is probably in his future. (Lying to Grand Jury... 'member?)
My experience while living in SF, is he is NOT a fan base player. Wouldn't give you the time of day, and forget about ANY autograph. He is a brat and a big baby.
How do you keep your job?  Rarely do you ever voice an opinion that makes any sense.  The Red Sox are loaded with players on both the major league roster and in their minor league systems that can more than compensate for Ortiz' loss for a month or more.

Bonds?  Really...How about interviewing someone in the Red Sox organization...oh, wait, that would require work.
That would be a huge dissappointment to see Bonds go to Boston.  Boston is one of the great cities that still symbolizes what baseball is all about...and Bonds is not.  I think it would be a disgrace to the Red Sox franchise and a slap in the face to the meaning of baseball.  Honestly does anyone really care that Bonds is not playing baseball this year???
Bonds in Boston?  I'd rather see the Sox forfeit the rest of the season than to pay money to that steroid-pumped goon.  There are a lot of young kids in New England that look up to the Red Sox players and what sort of message would the Sox organization be giving them if they took on Bonds?  Besides, THE SOX DO NOT NEED BONDS.  They've got a strong bench, and a farm system that every other team in MLB envies.  They'll be just fine.
get your facts right, according to an article in the boston globe the injury is NOT as severe as Curt Shillings was.
Seems like every other steroid bum is being forgiven (except for maybe the Rocket), so why not sign Bonds in Beantown?  His presence in their lineup could cause havoc.
I think it sounds like a great idea.
Red Socks Rule!!!!! Ortiz will be bach !!!!!
Please, please, please, well OK we can't bring back the Godfather of Soul but we could bring the Godfather of Shot, Barry Bonds to Boston.  Look the only personality more arrogant than Bonds is the Boston Sports Fans.  In the city of Boston, "ME"ssachusetts Bonds could give the team the shot they need and the fans could continue their desparate lives of despair without their sport heroes.  I for one would love to see Bonds and probably would pay the extortion fee to attend Fenway to see him.  C'mon Barry.....
Barry Balco Bonds in Boston...say it ain't so!  Bond's belongs in a federal prison not in Fenway Park.  Fenway Park has not given way yet to the presures to build a bigger park and should never give into having Bonds in their dugout.  Baseball in Fenway Park is special and Bond's is not deserving enough to play in Fenway Park!
Barry Bonds has shrunken balls because of steroids.
Please, NO!!!
Let's look at it this way. You you loose a nice shoe, do you want to replace it with a worn out old shoe? No, you replace it with a nice shoe...Bonds is a worn out old shoe and should just go sit on the shelf and wait for the Hall to call. Sorry Barry, just retire gracefully.
I'm a Mass native, and a lifelong Red Sox fan.  Nothing would make me happier than seeing Barry Bonds in Yankee pinstripes.  Need I say more?
Mike, I know you're a Yankee fan and all, but c'mon, be serious. I'd much rather have Manny DH most of the time with Ellsbury and Crisp giving the Sox the best outfield defense in the league. And Casey can DH some too. The Sox team chemistry is one of their best assets - they don't need to bring in a cancer like Barroid.
Put Bonds out of his misery and let him retire in shame.

Most importantly, spare us from having to deal with this embarrassment in Boston.
No. Simply No. We do not need him. The red sox can pull through this. And we do not need barry bond's taint on our side of the country.
"Manny being Manny"..."Barry being Barry"...Can the Red Sox chemistry hold such a hefty pair of "Man-Barries"???
Oh boy... now I've heard it all.  Boston has a DH his name is Manny.  Ellsbury, as shown since being in Boston that he can fill Manny's outfield spot.  Crisp, Ellsbury, Drew...not bad.  Now if Drew can just stop balls from going over his head the outfield still is one of the best in baseball, defensively and offensively.  Yeah, Papi will be missed but it's perfect timing.  Check your schedules, it's almost interleague time anyway and as you know, no DH in National League parks.  Barry Bonds.... give me a break!!
This is ridiculous!  No one wants Bonds because he will be a distaction to a team featuring exciting young players.  The Sox are deep enough to survive without Papi.  Please Theo!   No Bonds!!!!
There is no way John Henry would make a move like that that would alienate so many fans.  We'd rather lose with dignity then bring in Dirty Barry.
What about amove to get Ken Griffey Jr.?
Please no!  The Red Sox do not need that distraction.
maybe!!!
he will be in jail-can he play ball in jail-yes
YOu are a complete idio Mike Celzic. How do you maintain a job? Seriously.
The sox have four outfielders plus Sean Casey - they should be fine without Barry.  I don't think anyone should ever be just a DH - it should be a spot where hopefully you both platoon AND use the DH as a 5th or 6th bench player.  With the ridiculous 12-man AL pitching staff, it's imperative to make the best use of a bench and you can ask us Tigers fans how great it is to have a middle-aged full-time DH.
Bonds' ability to contribute significantly to the line-up if Papi will need surgery is evident.  What is not evident is if he would have he ability to be a teammate rather than a prima donna with double-locker space.  The Sox are the Sox because they are a TEAM, not because any one individual is allowed to be 'honored' more than others.


It's been so long since Barry's seen a pitch that he would not be much help to the Red Sox. It would be better for them to bring up a bat from the minors or find a free agent who is curently playing. Besides, a championship team like the Red Sox don't need the side show that is Barry Bonds


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