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AFI all wrong with top sports movies

Posted: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 4:39 PM

The American Film Institute, in another of their annual exercises designed to drive normal people to distraction, has had the audacity to name the top 10 sports films of all time. As can be expected when you assign a group of people whose lives are devoted to making films the task of ranking the own works, the list is high on drama and abysmally short of movies people actually want to watch.

 

Here’s the list the pros came up with:

 

1. “Raging Bull,” 1980.
2. “Rocky,” 1976.
3. “The Pride of the Yankees,” 1942.
4. “Hoosiers,” 1986.
5. “Bull Durham,” 1988.
6. “The Hustler,” 1961.
7. “Caddyshack,” 1980.
8. “Breaking Away,” 1979.
9. “National Velvet,” 1944.
10. “Jerry Maguire,” 1996.

Take a moment to read the list and ask yourself which of those, if you stumbled across it during a bout of channel-surfing on a rainy afternoon, would you actually watch and which you would tune into to put yourself to sleep – maybe permanently?

 

If it’s sleep I’m hungering for, I’m going straight to “National Velvet,” and I’m giving myself five minutes before I’m either senseless or rummaging through the medicine cabinet for a razor blade with which to end my suffering.

 

I’ll take the institute’s word for it that “National Velvet” is a terrific film. All I know is that it’s got something to do with horses and a very young Elizabeth Taylor is in it. A quick Internet search tells me that Mickey Rooney is in it, too, and it’s about a steeplechase. Only an actor would look at Taylor and Rooney in combination with a horse jumping hedges and conclude “sports movie.”

 

It’s not a sports movie; it’s a chick flick. If you want an old movie about horses, take my word for it and watch “A Day at the Races” with the Marx Brothers. You’ll laugh your fetlocks off and you even get a horse race at the end of it.

 

But back to the list. It’s got way too many movies that are considered great films, and the problem with great films is the same as the problem with great books. You may list “War and Peace” as one of the greatest novels ever written, but if you’re heading for the beach, you’re grabbing the latest Janet Evanovich mystery or a Tom Clancy potboiler. You ain’t grabbing “War and Peace.” And if you’ve actually read it, I’ll guarantee that you aren’t going to read it again, even if you thought it was the greatest book ever written. It’s too damned serious.

 

That’s the problem with “Raging Bull,” the No. 1 movie on the AFI list. I agree that it’s a great movie, and Robert De Niro is spectacular in it. But there’s no happy ending to this thing, and by the end of it, you feel just as beaten up as the fighters. You watch it once, and you say, “Wow, what a great film,” but you may never watch it again.

 

My idea of a top 10 list is not the 10 best, but the 10 movies you actually want to watch again and again and again. To put it a different way, the best movies are the ones that you have no choice to watch when you stumble across them while channel surfing.

 

“Major League” does that to me. If it’s on, I don’t care what time of day or night it is, I’m watching it. It’s sophomoric and silly, but, hey, I’m from Cleveland and the first time I saw it was the first time in my life that I saw the Indians win something. I got all misty-eyed when they beat the Yankees and got in the playoffs.

 

Call me a sap. I’m guilty as charged. But even though I know that “Major League” isn’t an ultimate triumph in the art of film-making, it’s on my top 10 for the simple reason that I like it.

A few years ago, ESPN.com had a panel of “experts” come up with a list of the top 25 sports movies, then let readers vote on their list. The experts had “Raging Bull” set at No. 2 and “Caddyshack” at No. 5. The fans put “Raging Bull” at No. 10 and Caddyshack at No. 2. Both experts and fans thought “Hoosiers” was the best sports flick ever.

 

The experts also had “Chariots of Fire” and “Seabiscuit” in the top 10, but the fans wanted no part of those two films, going with “Rudy” and “Major League” instead. Both ESPN readers and experts had “Remember the Titans” in the top 10, and it’s hard to argue with that choice – it makes you feel good to watch it. It’s the same with “Rudy,” which is a formula film except it’s about a real person. It’s not a great movie, but people love to watch it because it makes them feel good.

 

The AFI at least had the sense to recognize the eternal greatness of “Caddyshack,” listing it at No. 7. And "Hoosiers” came in fourth with the film crowd. On the other hand, the AFI listed “Pride of the Yankees” third, “The Hustler” sixth and “Breaking Away” eighth.

Pardon me while I wretch. “The Hustler” is a great movie, and I don’t mind seeing it again and again, but it’s a pool movie, and that’s as much a sport at darts is. (By the way, if anybody ever makes a good darts movie – you know, “Caddyshack” style – I’m first in line for the DVD.) As for “Pride of the Yankees,” it’s a maudlin piece of work about Lou Gehrig, and if you like it, it’s probably more because you admire Gehrig than because of its value as a film. I like Gehrig and I’ve seen the movie probably four times, but I still don’t see it as a great work.

 

Then there’s “Breaking Away.” I’m going to make a confession here: I never watched it. I can’t. It’s about bike racing, for crissakes – men in Spandex. I had a hard time watching the Tour de France before I knew it was loaded with more drugs than Pfizer. There’s no way I’m watching an entire movie about riding a bike.

 

I have similar feelings about “Chariots of Fire.” The underlying true story is really neat, but the movie itself is a mawkish pool of treacle. All that slow-motion running in perfect lighting makes me want to throw something large with many sharp edges at the TV.

 

I don’t really like “Jerry Maguire,” either. It’s not about sports. It’s about sports agents. Big difference. Give me “North Dallas 40,” or “The Natural.”

 

Speaking of “The Natural,” it’s not on the AFI top 10 list at all. Neither is “Slapshot,” an absolute top 5 movie on any sensible person’s list.

 

And they call themselves experts?

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Whether or not you think that riding a bike is a "sport", do yourself a favor and watch "Breaking Away". It revolves around a real-life bike race in Bloomington, Indiana and is just a great movie. I think I'll go rent it tonight.
Hoosiers.  Without a date.  Like you with Major League, no matter when it is on, I'm watching it.
Irrespective of whether I agree with the list or not, let's all consider ourselves fortunate that the man who would put "Major League" above "Raging Bull" is a sports commentator, not an art critic (and obviously not a cinephile). Stick with the sports, Mike.
Way to call it Mike.  Also, no Ali, no When we were Kings.  Actually they had everything wrong.  2001? puhlease.  We own it and the sequel 2010.  We watch 2010 because the more times you see 2001, the more it begins to suck, while 2010 really holds up.  The whole list is suspect, because they don't have a category for great campy cult films, like Faster Pussycat, Kill Kill.  If they don't take Roger Corman seriously, how can we take them seriously?
Slapshot is great! But heck, "Strange Brew" has more sports in it (hockey) than many of those on the AFI list. But keep in mind, the AFI voters have to pretend to like stodgy "important" movies like the dreary "National Velvet."
So sorry you haven't seen Breaking Away. It is so much more than a "movie about riding a bike." The bicycle race is the focus but it's a coming-of-age story more than anything else. And - BONUS - it's one of the funniest movies I've ever seen. Great acting, especially by Paul Dooley & Barbara Barrie as the parents. This is one of my ten desert island movies!
I COMPLETELY agree.  First and foremost, a Top 10 movie is one I stumble across while channel surfing and then spend the rest of the night watching.  It's a movie I just can't walk away from.  National Velvet?  I don't think so....
Well, Mike, what about Bull Durham? Good choice, or not? (For me, it qualifies as one of those ones you have to watch when you stumble across it on TV, even if they're cutting out the best stuff.) Slapshot was fun, and I thought The Natural was okay, but I liked the movie much better than the book (which we read in high school english)... yeah, I'm a sap for happy endings.
Am I way off base to think "The Longest Yard" should have been in the Top Ten?  I would surely put it in before "Caddyshack" which is not to say that I didn't like "Caddyshack," just that "The Longest Yard" was a better sports movie.  Oh, I'm guessing made-for-tv-movies didn't count, but along the lines of "The Pride of the Yankees," I can't help but think about "Brian's Song."
Agree with you for the most part about the flawed AFI Top 10 Sports Movies list.  If a horse movie has to be on the list, Seabiscuit should have gotten the nod.  What a great movie!

I was surprised to see Bull Durham on the list.  Great movie, but not what "experts" on movies usually like.  Which is why Rudy isn't on the list, unfortunately.

Breaking Away deserves to be on the list, but it's not just about cycling - just like Rocky isn't just about boxing and Hoosiers isn't just about basketball.  Watch it sometime and see for yourself.
What, did nobody at AFI see The Natural?
Once again hockey is snubbed.  "Slap Shot" captures the true essence of minor league hockey and is pretty much accurate to this day, for better or worse, while being a blast to watch and generating a stable-full of classic quotes.  "Youngblood" is another solid hockey film and is probably the most accurate in a more serious dissection of Junior level hockey (plus we get to see a pre-"Bill and Ted" Keanu Reeves).  

Other glaring omissions IMO: no "Field of Dreams"?  I defy any man who played baseball as a boy and cherishes the sport to not cry at some point in the movie.  The film captures all this is great about baseball and it's place in the American psyche.  James Earl Jones' monologue on baseball goes down as one of the best regardless of the genre.  Who doesn't know what movie "If you build it, he will come?" is from?  

Also, "The Natural" is not on the list?  With one of the most iconic scenes on all of sports movies?  A compelling storyline and a character in Roy Hobbs that is well-written and acted.  

This list reminds me of the Oscars; half of the films are unwatchable and the "experts" don't seem to understand sometimes a movie is great because it's fun, not in spite of that fact.
Ugh.  You lost me at Slapshot.  Well, technically you lost me at the Rudy praise, but I stuck around til the end anyway.
Terminator 2's inclusion was a bigger travesty. Trust me.
There's no spandex in "Breaking Away," although their shorts are uncomfortable short.
Hey moron, Breaking Away isn't "an entire film about bike racing". Why don't you try to watch a film before you run your mouth about it. It's disgusting that you've dismissed a really great film because of your bias towards a sport. Get real.

I don't expect someone with your attitude to see what really makes Breaking Away a great film. Granted, it got me into biking but it was much more than that and I still say it's one of the best films ever made.
Days of Thunder has to be a top ten... Favorite sports scene. Frank Drebin behind the plate.
"Miracle" about the US Olympic hockey team should definitely be in the top 10.
They were all wrong in a number of categories. Neither Casablanca, Sunset Beaulevard, nor Citizen Kane made one list. Maybe its a problem of categories; a lot of films (like the aforementioned) don't easily fit into their categories.
The list is a joke without Slapshot!!!!!

And where is the Bad News Bears?
I completely agree. I'm a 26-year old part time color analyst who actually lives 2 blocks from AFI headquarters in LA and has a friend that works for them. I just moved here from Seattle, and after hanging out with the acting crowd have determined they were the drama geeks in high school, hating everything to do with sports. Hoosiers is undisputed #1. I still get misty-eyed when Hopper is in treatment listening to his son win the big one. ML 1 & 2, Caddyshack of course,how about Any Given Sunday?? The acting crowd never played sports and it shows on their list. (Except for "Gansters" their list is all wrong anyway). Good stuff Mike.
An important correction: "Breaking Away" is not about the sport of bicycle racing but is actually an engaging 'coming of age' story built around a unique small town event: the Bloomington, IN, Little 500 which is a team marathon event.  Each team rides one bicycle 500 miles, swapping off as each rider tires.  There happens to be an Italian bicycle racing team in town training but they are a foil to develop the hero's character and not the focus of the movie.  They are used as a character in a running joke that gives the movie some of its charm and poignancy.  Other than that I totally agree with your comments, except that "Miracle on Ice" deserves a mention in the bad acting/feel good category.
You really should give "Breaking Away" a chance.  Before I saw it, I also thought it would be pretty boring to watch a film about a bicycle race, but after seeing it I was really amazed how entertaining it was. It's a great coming-of-age story mixed with a lot of humor.  Check it out, you won't regret it.
Wow, such pride in ignorance!  You ARE a sports fan!
Yeah, you're right about Raging Bull, but if you're gonna have a sports category, the # 1 sports movie of all time (hands down) has got to be 'The Natural' - even if it is make believe. I could watch that movie a 100 time and never get tired of it. And while we're on the subject, how about a western category without 'Lonesome Dove' and 'Dances with Wolves'; who were these guys casting the votes????
Celzic, stick to commenting about sports. Stay out of film criticism.  Your views are yours and no one else's. The AFI picked the greatest FILMS, not the films that make Mike Celzic, with your tiny pea-brain, feel good.
As a huge sportsfan I can tell you that this everyman thing ain't working for you.  I always hate it when someone works hard to be a "common man".  Look, there are only 3 movies on that list that I have not seen at least 3 times.  Raging Bull I have seen many times.  National Velvet, never.  But if that is so it makes that list pretty darned good.
I agree.  What about the movie, 'For Love of the Game'?  I've watched that movie several times (just ask my wife!).  Others:  Slapshot, Major League, 8 Men Out, The Legend of Bagger Vance, Happy Gilmore, Tin Cup.
I have to agree.  The Natural which should top the list should bump National Velvet off and I'll take Eight Men Out over "Breaking Away".  The original Bad News Bears" kicks "Jerry Maguire" off the list.  And I'm only mentioning baseball movies.
1. Caddyshack
2. The Natural
3. Major League
4. Rocky
5. Hoosiers
6. Slapshot
7. American Flyers
8. Miracle
9. Remember The Titans
10. Bull Durham
Mike;
What gives? Have you run out of things to write about? Was there an overshipment of ink to be used up?  Wasted words on paper, Mike.  Maybe it's time for that summer trip to Cleveland.  On another subject, how have you been?  Long time no talk to.
"the list is high on drama and abysmally short of movies people actually want to watch"

But that's exactly the point.  The list is about "greatest", not about "most popular."  AFI is an organization of film professionals.  It rates the movies on cinematic qualities, and not on whether they would fill the seats at a multiplex.  I can disagree with some of their picks (Hoosiers???), but I have to grant them the privelege of selecting their own criteria.  If a different group were picking, they might use different criteria.  Their list would be just as valid.  It would be a bit like asking a group of pilots and non pilots to rate air liners -- the non-pilots would probably choose comfort, size etc., whereas the pilots would probably look at flight manners.  Both lists are valid.

I agree about Slap Shot, though, not having it on the list is a travesty!
what about field of dreams?

or

tin cup?

or

the longest yard?  (the original with burt reynolds)
Where the hell is "SLAPSHOT" on these lists.  Never ever get tired of this Paul Neuman classic.  Much more entertaining that "The Hustler"
I agree wholeheartedly with most everything you said... Raging Bull is great, but rarely will I watch it for more than a couple of minutes before I look for something else.  Heck, I'll more intently watch Major League 2.  Rocky is a slightly different story... much more in the Rudy vein of movies.  

Bill Simmons from ESPN's Page 2 summed up my feelings on Bull Durham perfectly: it's NOT a sport's movie.  It's a romantic comedy that just happens to include some baseball.  Ditto Jerry Maguire (with its grand total of... 1, 2 sports scenes).  It's sort of like saying that "Fever Pitch" was a sports movie because it references the Red Sox.  

But, if you watched the entirety of AFI's lists in all genres, you'll realize that they believe that very little worthwhile cinema was made post-1965.
I would have thrown in Major League or at least Bad News Bears. Both are great sports movies.  Maybe Comedies are excluded.  The perfect game is great too.
I agree. Major League and Slapshot should definitely be in the top 10.
How about Cinderella Man??!!
CaddyShack?? Oh come on! That was such a retarded flick and had very little to do with sports.
Jerry McGuire??? The best thing people remember is an idiot yelling: "SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!"
Great sports movies should be about GREAT Sports.
How about: 'Remember the Titans', 'Radio'or 'Field of Dreams??? Even the 'The Sandlot' would have been a great pick over Caddy-Crap!

OK...here is the REAL Top 10 "for me"
Rocky 2
Rudy
Hoosiers
The Natural
Bull Durham
The Program
Field of Dreams
Tin Cup
Rocky
Miracle

So you judge "National Velvet" without ever seeing it?  That's somewhat like the kid saying he hates broccoli when he's never tasted it.  This film has all the great trappings of a good sports film.. the underdog, the courage, the excitement, the exhiliration.  Yes, it's a feel good film, but aren't most sports movies?  And it is far from a "chick flick".  The only romance is Velvet's love of horseracing.  I could see you arguing against it if you had seen it.  But, to place a critique on a film you've never watched?  Unbelievable.
AFI doesn't run popularity contests.  They rank the best movies for the value of the drama, yes sports are drama, portrayed along with the entertainment therein.  If we ranked and rewarded all by popularity, the best movies in 2007 would be:  Spider Man 3, Shrek 3, Transformers, Pirates 3, and Harry Potter 5?  Do those seem like the best movies to you last year?  Were any of them nominated for a "Best Movie" Oscar?  Granted, anyone's top 10 will change.  Value in movies is thoroughly subjective.  But don't fault the AFI for evaluating the genre using a tool other than popularity.  The movies chosen are not only some of the best sports movies but some of the best movies ever made.
My top ten
1. Necessary Roughness
2. Major League
3. Varsity Blues
4. Caddyshack
5. TIn Cup
6. A Day at the Races
7. Hoosiers
8. Leatherheads
9. Field of Dreams
10. Rocky
Breaking Away is a great movie and no spandex. And you call yourself an expert. Watch it!! How about Glory Road?? And Blood Sport with Jean Claude Van Damme. Really bad acting, but I can watch it over and over.
What happened to Remember the Titans or We are Marshall or The Replacements or The Longest Yard (original version) or MASH. I guess football movies do not impress judges.
I'd add a little more Old sports movies to the list.  For the same reason you have, that it's not so much the pure sport but rather the watchability of it.

Don't really know if anyone other than myself knows or recalls these movies but the original "Angels in the Outfield" circa '52 and "Here Comes Mr. Jordan"  which was the original "Heaven can Wait" are both flicks I will watch, though today the only place you can hope to find them is on Turner Movie Classics.
I agree, great movies are the ones you want to watch over and over again. You really should see Breaking Away.  It's a great movie. It's not a movie about bicycle racing, it's  a movie about townies in a college town trying to cope with life while dealing with the college students.
One that everybody forgot about 'Kingpin' Randy Quaid and the Amish would be irate.
Hoosiers should definitely be #1.  I have probably seen it 100 times and it still gets to me everytime.  I can't comment on the ones I haven't seen, but The Natural and Field of Dreams are noticeably absent and I also agree that Remember the Titans should also be in there.  No one has mentioned The Rookie, with Dennis Quaid.  I love it!  Based on a true story with a great message...that it's never too late for one's childhood dream to come true.
Top Ten:
1. Field of Dreams
2. Friday Night Lights
3. Hoosiers
4. Rudy
5. The Rookie
6. Remember the Titans
7. 61*
8. The Final Season
9. Bull Durham
10. Major League


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