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Rule on no-hitters is dumb

Posted: Sunday, June 29, 2008 3:43 PM

I’m sure there’s a sillier rule in sports somewhere, but Major League Baseball’s rule about no-hitters has to be near the top of the list.

All the headlines and all the sports shows announced Saturday that two Los Angeles Angels, Jered Weaver and Jose Arredondo, threw a no-hitter. It would be hard to call it anything else. They pitched the entire eight innings allotted to them and gave up no hits.

But they lost the game, 1-0, thanks in part to Weaver’s fielding error. Also, they only pitched eight innings because the Dodgers were leading and didn't have to bat in the ninth. Therefore, according to Major League Baseball, it’s not a no-hitter.

I’d love to know what it is, but MLB is silent on the subject. It’s a loss, and that’s the end of things.

It’s also wrong. No matter what baseball says, the box score tells the truth, and a zero under the hits column says it’s a no-hitter. There’s nothing else to call it.

This illogical definition in which a no-hitter isn’t a no-hitter was concocted in 1991, the year after Andy Hawkins lost a no hitter for the Yankees by the score of 4-0. From the beginning of baseball time, a no-hitter had, quite logically, been defined as any legal game in which the pitcher or pitchers didn’t give up a hit. Pitchers who threw five-inning no-hitters in games ended by weather were credited with not giving up any hits in an official games. And pitchers who lost no-hitters were also credited for what they accomplished.

But in 1991, baseball decided that to be a no-hitter, a game had to go nine innings. Since the Angels were losing on the road, their starters went just eight. It wouldn’t have mattered if they had been at home and pitched the top of the ninth. If they don’t win, it’s not a no-hitter, even though they gave up no hits.

Baseball does change its scoring rules from time to time. There was a time in the 19th century when a walk counted as a hit. There was also a time when sacrifice flies counted as a time at bat, and then another time when batters were credited with a sac fly for moving a runner to third. Today, it’s only a sac fly if a runner scores. But baseball didn’t go back in the books and take away sac flies or add them to the hitters who got them. It let players have credit for what the rules gave them.

But not with no-hitters. In 1991, MLB retroactively erased no-hitters that didn’t go nine innings or weren’t victories.

Baseball doesn’t have a name for these games – at least not one I could find. That’s understandable, because there is no other word for it. A pitcher throws a six-inning shutout and gets the win when rain ends the game, he gets a shut-out. If a batter is working on a hitting streak and loses it in a five-inning, rain-shortened game, baseball doesn’t say that doesn’t count because he should have had two more at-bats. So, why this silly rule about no-hitters? Why is a six-inning, rain-shortened game a complete game for everyone else but not for the guy who throws a no-hitter?

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Bud.
I pay $150.00 for MLB, could only watch one game on tv because KCAL 9 LA, would not release the right to televise it on MLB.
I live Northen California but Love the Dodgers,SO IT WAS A KNOW HITTER IN MY BOOK.
PLEASE IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THE MLB & KACL 9. I missed a very good game!!!!
                  Jack Staggs  
It's still a "no-hitter" for the purposes of a player or players who accomplish the feat.......others won't deny that they did it. No matter what major league baseball says.
It's a silly "defenition" thing...........and a silly article.
Nothing else to write about?
MLB administration keeps making puzzling rules and rule changes.  This is high on the list.
Because baseball's an American sport - they need to keep changing the rules to keep people guessing... Why do grown men play baseball, anyway? Why do people go to watch the games? If they wanted to make it really interesting, they'd let someone who gets a hit run the bases with the bat and hit the infielders.
With Bud Selig making policy what do you expect?  
I have a name for the "8" inning no-hitter. A LOSS. Get over it, I'm sure Weaver has.
Couldn't agree more. Think MLB honchos have over-thought this. Must be a "9-inning game". Well, this was. Rule doesn't say pitchers in question have to throw nine innings. Just says 9-inning game, which this was.
If you have to win to be credited for a no-hitter, does that go for a perfect game as well?  Does Harvey Haddix's feat of a 12 inning perfect game (he lost in the 13th inning after giving up one hit) count for nothing in the record books any longer?

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/boxscore/05261959.shtml
Would you call it a  no hitter if he threw a no hitter in 5 innings and the game was called by rain?  Of course not.  I compare it to bowling.  you cannot throw 9 strikes in a row and then not bowl in the 10th frame.  Do you want to call that a perfect game.  It was perfect up to 9 frames but you did not finish it.  Same with Baseball.  It is not fair to be compared with other players who threw 9 innings.  I do not think it is a silly rule at all.  Just to be funny.  What would you say to a pitcher who walked the top 3 players every time they got up and pitched to everyone else?  They would have a lot less hits but they probably would lose.
Would you call it a  no hitter if he threw a no hitter in 5 innings and the game was called by rain?  Of course not.  I compare it to bowling.  you cannot throw 9 strikes in a row and then not bowl in the 10th frame.  Do you want to call that a perfect game.  It was perfect up to 9 frames but you did not finish it.  Same with Baseball.  It is not fair to be compared with other players who threw 9 innings.  I do not think it is a silly rule at all.  Just to be funny.  What would you say to a pitcher who walked the top 3 players every time they got up and pitched to everyone else?  They would have a lot less hits but they probably would lose.


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