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In gymnastics, it's physical age that really matters

Posted: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:27 AM

The questions about the ages of the Chinese female gymnasts aren’t going to go away. I’ve said before that if they’ve got the required documents — and the IOC and FIG, the governing body of gymnastics, say they do — there’s nothing anybody can do about it. The documents may be forgeries concocted by the government, but good luck proving that in a country that isn’t known for its openness.

I don’t know the ages of He Kexin, Jiang Yuyuan and Yang Yilin. They may not even know at this point. But I do know that calendar age isn’t the real issue here. Physical age is.

Forget 14 or 16. Physically, these girls couldn’t even pass for 12. They have no hips and no breasts. From all outward appearances, they haven’t even hit puberty, which, in women’s gymnastics, can be a career-ending injury.

The reason that gymnastics raised the minimum age for international women’s competitions from 14 to 16 was to get some actual women into the event. It was overrun by girls like the Chinese Munchkins, who had not yet hit puberty. Coaches like such girls because they are better tumblers — they don’t have to deal with wider hips and a changed center of gravity. Their ratio of upper-body to lower-body strength was also better.

Coaches worked hard to make sure the girls stayed girls. One way to delay puberty is to restrict the number of calories the children ate. Work them at a 4,000-calorie-a-day pace and feed them 1,500 calories, and they can’t grow like a normal child. In order for a girl to start menstruating, she needs a certain percentage of body fat. Keeping them skinny and underfed prevents that. Just to make sure, there are drugs that can delay puberty.

But delaying puberty delays the production of estrogen, which is critical in developing bone density. Among the job hazards of being a gymnast are arriving at the age of 30 with the bone density of a 90-year-old woman.

Setting a minimum age doesn’t solve the real problem, which is that training girls to be world-class gymnasts can be indistinguishable from child abuse. Several books have been written on the subject, one of the best being Joan Ryan’s 1995 work, “Little Girls in Pretty Boxes.”

If you or I took our 14-year-old girl for a physical and the doctors saw a 68-pound waif who hadn’t reached puberty, was covered in bruises and had evidence of several joint injuries and stress fractures, we’d be in jail and our girls would be in protective custody. If a gymnastics coach does it, he or she is a national hero — if the girl does well at the Olympics.

It’s not as if the 16-year-olds or even the girls who are 18 are that much better off. They may actually have bodies that are recognizably female, but they’re absurdly tiny and undernourished.

The age minimum just increases the number of years girls can be subjected to the punishing training and constant pain that is part of the sport.

The only way to level the playing field is to forget about chronological age and adopt a rule that requires girls to have gone through puberty before they can compete. I’d throw in a minimum body-fat requirement, too. If a girl has little or no body fat, she can’t compete.

In the best of all worlds, there would also be a minimum weight based on a girl’s height. I don’t know what that would be, but it would be more than 75 pounds, that’s for sure.

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Here are the continuous of the videos "Dream Weaver Beijing 2008", Jiang Yuyuan and Deng are continued to be featured. You can see Jiang Yuyuan grew up a little bit since she was in the first video when she said she was 12 in 2003.  
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Sorry, Mike. Calendar age is absolutely the issue here. Bone density and child abuse issues aside, the point is, there's convincing evidence uncovered by the New York Times and the Associated Press that the Chinese girls are indeed under-age. If so, they broke the rules. And here's why Team USA has a right to be upset -- even though we haven't heard a peep out of the athletes, who've shown nothing but respect for the little girls they competed against: The U.S., too, has 14 and 15 year olds who could have had an impact at the 2008 Olympics with the proper attention and training. Nastia Luikin certainly would have been a force four years ago in Athens had she been old enough under the rules. Mike writes an entertaining, off-the-top-of-his head column. His research and logic, however, are sorely lacking. Tomorrow he'll be dealing with another topic he's thought about for maybe two minutes, hoping he can fool 'em again. That's his job. He does it well enough to keep doing it. He also knows the puberty litmus test, though clever, is patently absurd. ("Wait, I think I see something that wasn't there yesterday!") And if he thinks 16-year-old Shawn Johnson (she'd be glad to show you her birth certificate) is an undernourished waif, he's living on another planet. If Shawn's high school had a girls football team, I have no doubt she could play middle linebacker, even at 4-9, and lead the league in tackles.
If I were a competing gymnast capable of achieving gold, watching "children" who I knew were of illegal age, receiving scores that did not merit the skills, I would be bothered by that, and it would affect my performance. And it is not just the Americans.. The Russian woman's floor exercise routine was flawless and she received a sub-standard score while the little butterflies made obvious errors and got excellent ratings..Russians got robbed. The judges must have had too much smog affecting their eyesight.  
To all the people discussing the Chinese age controversy, I just want to say that this article has almost no relation to it. The author simply mentioned the controversy as a starting point to discuss the overall health of young gymnasts. So if you want to scream at each other and beat your chests, please take it somewhere else.

Anyways, thanks for the informative post Mike. It's interesting to see the extent that people are willing to take in order to perform in such a prestigious sport.
I do agree with the author. The rules of the Games should be set in place such that girls are not questioned and are respected when they win medals. By having such a rule on the puberty and the body-fat ration, I feel that it will take out lots of inquisitions into the athlete's age and will also deter other coaches from admitting underage athletes into the Games.

The Olympic Games have always been a respected platform where almost all if not all athletes dream an aspire to perform in. As supporters of the Games, we also want to witness record breaking moments and moments that change the world's history, and hence I do feel that the Olympic Games can be used as an opportunity to stop child abuse and unite the world as one as we show our support and spur the athletes on to greater heights.
The training almost any top athelete goes through is going to be borderline abusive.  I can't even imagine living under the regimen that most of them think of as "normal".

I don't believe for a second that the Chinese gymnasts were 16.  Passports are proof?  Those passports that the Chinese government gives them?  Something about foxes and henhouses would be appropriate here.  But you know what?  I don't care.

What's worse is that gymnastics is in the Olympics at all.  All the events that are judged need to be thrown out.  Gymnastics, diving, equestrian, and  synchronized swimming in the summer Olympics, ice skating in the winter, they all need to be shown the door.  Anything that relies upon a subjective judgment cannot be considered a sport.
Nonsense.. If they are 16 (which so far seems they are), then they should keep the medals, otherwise give up.
This is the sensationalist American news media at work once again. They couldn't get anywhere with the photo of the Spanish basketball team making slant eyes, which the Chinese media deemed as not newsworthy.
Why was there only praise for the 14-year-old British diver? Why doesn't the age limit apply for all competitions? Why not change the age limit for all competitions to 18 or 21 and ban minors altogether? While we're at it, let's go back to ancient Greek times where only men were allowed to compete and they wore no clothes.
What a bunch of whining losers. Maybe Americans have been losing in gymnastics because no gymnast can understand Bela's instructions? A large percentage of our kids are overweight and our 16-year-olds dress like they're headed for the whorehouse.
I had doubt about the chinese girls age before. I still can not say about He Kexin, but for Jiang  Yuyuan (she was one of the three that were questioned), I saw a video on youtube, you can search it in youtube, the name is:
Dream Weaver Beijing 2008
The video has 9 parts, it featured the preparation of Beijing game, from building "Bird Nest", anti-terrorist training, to athletes selection and training. It included the selection and training process of chinese female gymnasts. It showed the selection started as early as 2003, they set up a camp to include young and age-fit girl from all over China. (age-fit means they would turn 16 in 2008). In the later part of the 1st video, Jiang Yuyuan was featured with several other girls. They were asked how old they were, their reply ranged from 11 to 13. Jiang said she was 12. So if she was 12 then, then she should be 17 now. It’s highly doubted that she would lie at that time, since they didn’t even know if she would be selected. Jiang and Deng Linin were continue featured in the 9 videos, you can see young Jiang grew up a little bit through the years, and little Deng seemed not grow at all. Deng looked very young and small at the team competition night. I doubted about her before, but after looked at these videos, it seemed that she just didn’t grow through the years, might due to Mike’s theory, not enough calorie intakes.  
Unfortunately, the videos are in Chinese, but by looking at the pictures, you can still see that those little girls were trained very hard, so I think the age controversy, at least to Jiang and Deng are very unfair. They could be just looked young, remember, in general, Chinese teenage girls do look younger than American teenage girls.
I submitted two comments on Friday, but unfortunately, it didn’t show up at all. I just want people to know some more stories about those girls in the controversy. Hopefully this one can show up, and more people can see these two girls’ stories. Otherwise, it’s unfair to these two.    


If you think about it, the Chinese with 1.3 billion people should have won at least 4 times the number of medals as the "little" USA with 300 million. Conclusion: There is a higher percentage of world-class athletes in the USA than there is in China. Any rational comments?
All of you have to admit, the girls won fair and square. America, please stop whining about the fact that then Chinese can look young and still beat America.Hey,here's a joke to lighten the mood! What's the difference between Americans and a puppy? The puppy stops whining after if GROWS UP.
I just find it ridicious from your post about what seems of some below average weight and height asian women who won the Olympics.  One reason why Michael phelps is so good because genetics is on his side, with a wide armspan and short legs.  Maybe we should ban him for 'gene doping'  I also notice that many African Americans who tends to dominate track and field.  Maybe we should ban them too.
I find this article pretty disturbing, you will need to find a solid proof that these girls are under age. Your only proof is that these girls are physically tiny and undeveloped. Are you a moron? How can you compare Asians vs. european / americans?? Keep in mind that America is the fatest nation in the world, of course your children will look like they are 20 when they are only 10, give me a break. This whole thing sounds like some sour grapes to me, the looser cries the loudest.
Don't want to beat a dead horse here. First let me say, I don't give a rat's rear about how many medals anyone won. That is a joke, given some of the ridiculous events that they now have in the Olympics, and the many splits within the various groupings for races and team events, etc. So I could care less if China or Spain or anyone else won an event. I hoped to see an American be competitive and not choke, but getting a Gold, who cares.  And I lived for years in Asian cultures in Korea, and San Francisco where I could observe differences in cultures, stature, etc. Having said that, I don't think there is any way on earth that a couple of the Chinese girls made the age requirement. But like I said, I could care less about that, or the fact that there is "home cooking" judging that seems to come to every country hosting the games, usually in gymnastics, ice skating, diving, etc., the events where no one crosses a finish line, hits a bullseye, etc., to an objective result. In this Olympiad I only saw one or two outlandish scoring situations. One, Johnson did the best Balance Beam program I have ever seen, bar none, and one judge gave her an 8.5. What the heck was that person doing when they should have been watching her. That was in the Team event as I recall, but never a waver, or balance check, nothing but a pure 10 routine of some of the hardest moves one could invent. She was pretty good too in the individual event [which I think she won], but nothing close to as good as that first one. Troubling to me on the record keeping is the story that these young Chinese girls were all listed in consecutive years in rosters at one age, but then in 2007 the ages all got changed. Could the Gov't have made an error that was corrected? Maybe. I would give them the benefit of the doubt on it. Anyway, the facilities that they constructed were fabulous, and the people of China deserve accolades for the manner in which everything was conducted from start to finish. I was impressed with the professionalism and warmth in which they handled everything.  
WOW thats distgusting what they do to those poor girls. i never realised it was that bad!!

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If you want to actually know what the real answer is then wait 4 years and see if these same girls compete in the olympics again.  If they are saying they are 16 now then by all means they should not be changing drastically in terms of going through puberty by the time the next olympics are around since by their fact these girls have or are in the midst of going through that.
For all you idiots from China saying "have you been to china, what do you know?"  I lived in China for 7 years and taught high school for 3 of them.  All I have to say to you is keep lying to yourself if it makes you feel good.  I NEVER taught a girl that looked as sick as these so called 16 year olds.  NO they don't "pass" for 16, even to Chinese eyes.  Get out of your nationalistic crap.  Maybe starving peasant children whose families have been forced off their land so that some local official could build a car dealership might look as skinny and underdeveloped as these girls.
Has anyone considered the gymnastics code of points... the code of points that decides Olympic gold that rewards high difficultly (and therefore high risk) routines. Moves that take a lot out of the body and the learning of which is what drives the 'hard' training regimes. If the way gymnastics was judged was different then wouldn't the way gymnasts needed to train be different too? One must look at the prize first. Everyone is aiming for a gold medal - how do you get that - have a gold medal winning routine and how do you do that? Train as hard as it takes to get the points and skills to get that... so it comes down to the code of points and judging really... because that's what is driving all gymnasts to do what they do... make sense?

The Chinese gymnasts train at least 6-8 hours 6 days a week I think. Nastia Luikin trains 7 hours a day (?5 or 6 days a week)... there doesn't seem much different in the time the girls are putting in. Shawn trains 4 hours a day and that's considered - 'wow, different' and 'not much' for an elite gymnast by the USA media.

The stakes do seem a little higher for the Chinese gymnasts because many of them are using their pay for their accomplishments to help families out of 'poor' situations (according to what I've read) and that's quite a bit of pressure when you're that age (or younger as most of these girls start with the national team at about 12).

Also National coach Lu shanzhen (?spelling) was recently saying how he opposes really hard training of young athletes and how one has to be careful of injury and not letting gymnasts end up with chronic injuries while they are still so young (mentioned 8-10 yr olds). Note: He is Cheng Fei's coach, the most decorated female chinese gymnast to date - (despite her olympic performance), so it doesn't seem that they are completely uncaring.


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