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Setting the record straight on sports and guns

Posted: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 6:04 PM

I wrote yesterday that Plaxico Burress’ problems are the result of his own stupidity. The column started a lively discussion on Newsvine, with 150 opinions posted when last I looked. I am not surprised to find that many of the posters had nothing at all to say about Burrress’ stupidity but plenty to say about mine.

Among the issues raised are: I know nothing about Glocks; I also don’t know anything about guns; I’m a godless, commie, liberal, pinko socialist who wants to trample on the Second Amendment; and I wear a hat.

I’ll take the complaints in order of accuracy. It is true, as many readers pointed out, that I don’t know goobers about the .40-caliber Glock with which Burress shot himself early last Saturday in a Manhattan nightclub.

I had said that Burress should have engaged the safety on his pistol, especially as he was carrying it in his pants. Readers pointed out that this would be great advice if the Glock had a manual safety. But it doesn’t.

I’ll get to where my gun knowledge comes from later on. What’s relevant here is that the knowledge is dated. I had no idea that handguns that are not equipped with manual safeties are sold to the general public.

The Glock has a trigger safety, which means the gun can go off only when the trigger is pulled; it cannot fire when the gun is dropped. It is a tactical weapon popular with police because it is ready to fire when drawn. There is no manual safety to remember to release. It doesn’t have to be cocked, either. When a round is in the chamber, the gun is cocked.

Many private gun owners love this feature of the Glock. They feel safer knowing that if they are threatened, they need do nothing other than pull their Glock and blow away the bad guy. Others think the trigger safety is too dangerous, and there are a number of incidents of what’s known as accidental, or negligent, discharge of the weapon. You can find a lively online debate in any number of gun forums. This is an example. Read it and draw your own conclusions.

What’s important to understand is that the Glock is designed to be carried in a holster that covers the trigger guard. If you carry it in your pants like Burress, you run the risk of grabbing the trigger when the gun starts to slide down your pants and blowing a hole in your thigh – or some other anatomical feature.

So I’ll confess to ignorance on Glocks. But it only makes Burress appear even dumber. He’s got a gun that fires when you pull the trigger, and he’s carrying it in his pants. This is the stuff that Darwin Awards are made of.

Other quibbles were raised about my knowledge of firearms, which I described as extensive and some readers described as not reaching the level of what a cocker spaniel knows about quantum mechanics.

One quibble was that I called Burress’ gun an “automatic,” which is technically inaccurate. An automatic weapon is one that keeps firing as long as the trigger is pulled such as an Uzi, AK-47 or Tommy gun. But slide-action pistols that chamber a new round automatically and don’t need to be re-cocked to fire the next round have long been called “automatics” to distinguish them from revolvers, which have to be re-cocked after every shot. (There are single-action and double-action revolvers, but we won’t go into that here.) Anybody who is into guns understands what the term means.

I suggested that if you’re going to stuff a gun in your pants, a revolver would be a better choice because it’s a lot harder to accidentally cock it and pull the trigger and shoot yourself.

I said that it’s safer yet to keep the hammer on an empty cylinder. That’s technically incorrect, and I knew it. But gun people know what I’m talking about and it’s easier than explaining how a revolver works to people who don’t know guns. For the record, for extra safety, you keep the hammer on a loaded chamber next to an empty one because when you cock a revolver, the cylinder revolves to the next chamber. To avoid misfires, you want that empty chamber to come up when some idiot accidentally pulls the trigger.

Finally, a number of readers have decided that I’m one of those gun-control nuts because I said that Burress shouldn’t be running around with an unlicensed gun in his pants. I also argued that Sean Taylor would not have saved his life if he had owned a gun. This, too, is proof that I want to confiscate all guns.

I didn’t say a word about gun control. Not one. In fact, I said up high that if Burress hadn’t been so overwhelmingly dumb, the fact he doesn’t have a license for the gun in New York wouldn’t be an issue because he wouldn’t have accidentally shot himself.

I’ll admit I don’t like the idea of ordinary civilians carrying guns into clubs in Manhattan. I don’t like the idea of anyone carrying a gun into a bar, for that matter. And I do think that anyone who buys a gun ought to be required to take some sort of safety course – even it’s only a trip to the gun shop’s shooting range to learn about the weapon’s safety features. You have to pass a driving test before you can drive a car. Seems you should have to pass some sort of rudimentary test to own a gun.

But I’m not a disarmament guy. I don’t own any guns and haven’t since I moved East many years ago, but I grew up with them and don’t think they’re the root of all evil.

My father was sergeant in the Marines in WW II. He was an avid hunter and as the co-owner of a boondocks bar in Ohio, he carried a small handgun – an “automatic” as we called it – when he was driving home at 3 a.m. with the day’s receipts. (He was robbed once at gunpoint in the bar, and he admitted himself that if he could have gotten to his gun he would have been killed.)

I fired my first 12-gauge under Dad’s supervision when I was about 10. Damned near took my shoulder off, but I gotta admit, it remains a very vivid and not unpleasant memory. I owned my first gun, a single-shot .22, at the age of 14. I later added a single-shot 16-gauge shotgun to my personal collection.

My dad had three semi-automatic handguns(Is everybody happy now that I didn’t say “automatic”?): a .25-caliber Beretta and a .32-caliber and .38-caliber of forgotten manufacture. He also owned a 12-gauge pump shotgun, a .22 semi-automatic rifle with a scope and a really cool, old Vetterli rifle, better known to aficionados as a .41 Swiss and known as the last rifle to use rim-fire cartridges.

My brother owned a 12-gauge pump, a double-barreled 12-gauge and a .38 Colt revolver with a four-inch barrel.

My brother and I were thoroughly schooled in gun safety from infancy. Guns were never left loaded. Ammunition was stored separately from the guns. I have never in my life ever pointed a gun – even one I knew with 100 percent certainty to be empty – at myself or another person.

And I never stuck a gun, loaded or not, in my pants.

I spent many summer days as a kid taking target practice in the back yard. (We lived in the woods and had a back yard that went from here to forever.) It was good, clean, safe fun - at least it was where I grew up.

But I can’t see where carrying a gun would keep me safer. I realize that there’s a heightened fear level on the Giants since Steve Smith was robbed at gun point in front of his home in a gated community on Nov. 25. But the robber approached Smith from behind and held a gun to his head. Having a handgun wasn’t going to help Smith, and it’s not going to help most people in similar situations. Had he reached for a gun, he’d probably be dead instead of just minus some cash and jewelry that can be replaced and is probably insured.

This isn’t the Wild West of the movies where people settle disputes by taking to the middle of Main Street and going for their guns. If somebody’s going to rob you at gunpoint, his gun is already out before you know what’s happening. You can go for your own gun, but more often than not, you’re the one that’s going to end up on a slab in the morgue.

If you want to get a license to carry, that’s your business. All I’m saying is don’t be stupid.

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Mike,

Your commentaries are well written and thoughtful.  I find it pitiful what lengths idiocy goes when it comes to guns.  Even here in Alabama, it is understood that you shouldn't carry a concealed weapon into New York, Massachusetts, etc. Plaxico, you don't have a shred of common sense--I'm just glad you didn't kill an innocent person with your foolishness.  You don't don't deserve to play in the NFL, nor walk the streets of any decent town in America.  I hope you languish in jail, fool.
What I found distasteful was your disgraceful and prejudiced implication that anyone carrying a gun is doing so as an extension of their manhood.  You portrayed anyone and everyone who carries a gun as a testosterone-laden macho man trying to act tough or compensate for some other shortcoming. That's such a distateful stereotype for someone who seems otherwise educated.  The vast majority of gun owners and concealed carry permit holders like myself are decent, respectable, law-abiding, sane, reasonable people.  We simply love our spouses and kids and feel that we are safer with them than without. If you don't choose to own a gun, fine.  But don't smear people you've never met with coarse, vicious stereotypes.    

Factually, I would take issue also with your assertion that nobody needs a gun for personal protection, and that they would be safer without a gun than with one.  It flies in the face of study after study on the issue.  I would respectfully suggest that you read the work of criminologist Gary Kleck at Florida State University:  

http://www.criminology.fsu.edu/p/faculty-gary-kleck.php
I don't know my butt from my elbow about guns, and its pretty obvious neither does Plaxico Burress.  I am a huge Giant fan and my first reaction as a fan was to think "I hope to God this guy can play football this weekend".  But, now that the dust has settled a bit, its hard to argue with anyone stating this man needs a brain not a gun.  Like it or not, he's in the public eye and worse yet, a role model to young kids who can only dream of being a professional athlete one day.  While, I feel for the Burress, regardless of the stupidity he showed by simply carrying a gun, this man is going to be made an example of by  Mayor Bloomberg, and there is a part of me that thinks that is the right message to send.  So, for those of you who want to shoot the messenger (author of the article) here, you can't argue with the message without showing your own real stupidity.
Makes sense to me.
mike:  alas, many owning weapons for personal protection may be technically proficient in maintenance, operation, safety features, etc.  However, the average individual will hesitate to use it against another human being.  This hesitation can result in death or injury in confrontational situations.  This is said from military experience wherein the man bearing arms has been well trained in their use, but still hesitates.  Hollywood and popular mythology aside, killing people even in sanctioned combat is more often "accidental" than one might think.  To underscore this, military snipers are often held in subdued distaste if not disdain by their fellow infantrymen.  In short, if you're not convinced you can use one for lethal purposes, don't carry a weapon.  As for Mr. Burris, his history in matters far and wide speaks to his puerile nature.
As with anything, its a matter of circumstances.  Yeah, being ambushed from behind without knowing there's someone looking to rob you is pretty much a no-win scenario.

There are plenty of times when you hear that noise in the night that you can arm yourself, put your back into a defensive situation, and prepare.   In some cases, you can get the drop on your would be assailant and turn that scenario around.

Its not a panacea, but its a damned nice option play to have around.
You make some great points Mike. I am for gun control though and feel the 2nd Amendment should be abolished. It was enacted for the purposes of allowing ordinary citizens to form militias in colonial times (one could argue we are still in colonial times with respect to our foreign policy) and for hunting obviously.

Militias are presently obsolete and I am opposed to sport hunting. I'll allow for hunting for population control and food/fabric but why does a person need an AK 47 or bullet proof vest piercing bullets? These kinds of weapons and ammo should NEVER be available to the general public.

I'll even allow for living in a rural area and needing prtection from wild animals or the occasional crazed meth addict. But there needs to be strict codes for licensing and safety education.
Nicely said.  He had no license to carry a concealed weapon.  As it goes in our Great Country, money will get you OUT of trouble.  He doesn't need to go to prison, and missing his next four paychecks should be plenty of punishment.  That's why people hire body guards, so they hold the guns not the person.
Hi Mike,

Thanks for your response. I hope you didn't feel too slighted by the gun-owning community, as we tend to get very defensive even when we don't need to. I apoligize on behalf of the gun owners who insulted you, that isn't fair.

I must admit when I started to read your article I thought to myself "oh great... another article about why guns are bad", but I was wrong. Yes, you were technically incorrect about some features of the Glock, but I understood from your article that Burress is the idiot here, not the gun. He just makes gun owners look bad, because he's the idiot.

If you are stupid enough to carry a gun in your pants (ever heard of a IWB holster?) and you are irresponsible enough not to get a license if you live in a state that requires one, then I am not happy because you are breaking the law, being irresponsible, and making other gun owners look bad because your actions caused a lot of negative press. I hope Plaxico gets his carry license revoked for this nonsense... hasn't he had incidents before?
Mr. Celizic,

I'm one of those who posted to your original column.

I didn't call you a pinko, a commie or a socialist, and for what it's worth I like your fedora.

My chief complaint wasn't the basic premise of your story.  Rather, it was this quote:  "...guns aren't about sense.  They're about fear and twisted concepts of manhood and being a real bad expletive."

If your column had stuck to the premise that Mr. Burress was the problem--and not the gun he unsafely carried--I don't think we'd be quibbling now about the design of Glocks or the difference between automatics and revolvers.

It's unfortunate that irresponsibility and tragedy get most press when it comes to guns, but I as a gun owner understand this.  People in general are afraid of guns, and while that may be a good thing it's a double-edged sword when it comes to responsible gun owners trying to keep the government from outlawing their property.

As I mentioned in the closing of my original argument, if you want to make this about Burress and his immature, brainless treatment of a deadly device, I support that.

I think you would have done well to emphasize that he's far and away from the average, responsible gun owner in America.
Mike,
Well written, both in accuracy and in thought. Your technically vague comments, previously written, that you have thoroughly clarified, are right on target. Most gun owners are not that picky. This guy had no business carrying that gun in that manner in that place at that time. If he had a license to carry, it would have probably been revoked if it was discovered that he was carrying in a nightclub. Enough said.
I admit that the way he carried his gun was stupid.  yes i believe that every one who carries should be licensed.  but i do believe that it would save many lives if people could carry consealed if they are legal to do so.  If this state would allow consealed carry I would.
I honestly think that people weren't getting the point of the original article.  The article was written to point out the stupidity of Plaxico Burress, and others of his ilk.  It is utterly ridiculous to me to feel the need to carry a handgun with a round chambered into a bar.  To make things worse he stuffed the gun in his pants.  He deserves everything he gets, and likely more.  The problem with many NFL players today is a combination of arrogance and a ganster-esq mentality.  I hope that Plaxico now realizes that he makes a better football player than he does a gangster, but I also hope that he is thrown in jail for 15 years and never gets to play the sport again.  Kids need to see responsible adults as athletes, not idiots.  
Stupid is the wrong word, perhaps.  Instead, Burress has an incomprehensible lack of understanding regarding his own privilege.  The gun situation simply culminates his life.  If he gets 3.5, he'll get to chew on real perma-loss until it finally settles in - no more NFL, no more big money, no more stardom.  What a fall, cause Burress currently makes more for a single game than most people make in a career.  That's a stunning privilage, which he may well lose - a fool and his money...
I have a license to carry and do carry almost all of the time.I had take and pass a saftey course in order to get my permit.Plax's 1st mistake is carring when and while he was at a bar drinking. That is the first thing the instructor tells you not to do.If your going out drinking, leave the gun home !! Stupid people like this make it harder for responsible gun owners to own guns.
Plaxico Burress broke the law.  There is a reason for not carrying a firearm into a bar....people drink.  I really doubt Burress would have shot himself if he had not been drinking.  The worst thing is he could have shot someone else.  He desearves wheat the law demands.
Too many gun owners are 2nd Amendment knee-jerk reactionists, so I'm guessing that's who vilified you over the last 24 hours.  But other than a couple technical errors I don't think you said anything wrong in your original column.  And you certainly didn't advocate gun control, other than safely controlling your own gun.

To me the point of the column with Burress' stupidity.  Was Burress illegally carrying a concealed weapon?  Yes.  Was he negligent in the way he carried it?  Yes.  Is he paying the price for those actions?  Yes.  In addition to his physical injury and suspension from the Giants and the league, he will likely face criminal charges as well.  I feel kind of bad for him, but he made a couple very bad decisions.

I shoot regularly and enjoy it very much.  The rules for the safe handling (and even carrying) of guns work.  Burress ignored those rules.
nice rebuttal!
Good artice, chuckled when you finally said "semi-automatic." :-)
Real, responsible gun owners carry their guns in a holster. Thugs or wannabes stash it in their pants. If you really look at the non-verbal aspect of it, holstering views it more like a tool, stuffing it in your pants points to a lack of pride about what's already in there. That may be psychobabble to some, but look at his own reasons for carrying the gun. He had a wad of cash, much jewelry and felt the need to flash it around. Again, not confident in who you are and not just quietly out to have a good time. Its more the bravado and braggadocios acts of a person who can run, jump and catch a ball and gets paid very handsomly for it, yet still can't see himself as a success and good person without all the fanfare. Yep sad, even more sad is the example he sets for his own kids.
Right on Mike - as a avid gun owner and concealed weapon carrier, I personally HATE when any accident occurs with a firearm because in addition to any direct damage that may have occured, it puts gun owners on the defensive.  I personally considered getting one of the sub-compact baby Glocks as my concealed carry weapon, but did not feel comfortable with the lack of safeties compared to my full sized Beretta.  When Beretta started making a sub-compact with the same safeties (decocking safety, double action/single action, etc.) I purchased on instead.  The Glock is a fine weapon, but should only be carried by someone who really knows what they're doing, and any gun, but especially a Glock, is inappropriate when consuming alcohol.

This isn't a gun control or permit issue, it's a gun safety issue, and there is never an excuse for an "accidental" discharge.
You continue to be the voice of reason, intelligence and common sense in these strange strange times...

Keep it up...  (and please, make sure the safety is on) :)

I'm with you mike.  I don't own a gun, but grew up around them (even went hunting and target shooting as a teenager) and understand peoples need/desire to own them.  However, just don't be stupid or careless with them, because those dang bullets that come out of them a high rate of speed are gonna hurt.
I loved your article yesterday. As a youth in Alaska, I grew up with and around firearms and saw nothing wrong with your portrayal of the situation. I am interested to see how many people dogged you on technical matters, ignoring the encompassing point of your article....
Mike,
You are a liberal loon and you definitely wear a hat and you are about 99% correct in what you say in this article.  Unlicensed people should not be carrying concealed handguns and no one should be mixing alcohol and firearms.  Anyone who touches a gun of any kind should know not to put their finger on the trigger until you are prepared to shoot and all of the other safety rules(classes are definitely in order).  The 1% where you are wrong is that ordinary (law abiding and licensed) citizens being armed will make this country safer and will only reduce crime and murder.  Thanks for setting the record straight, you’re not such a bad liberal, pinko, commie, socialist.
Just to correct your correction - as a precaution you would carry a revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber rather than a loaded chamber next to an empty chamber.  Many revolvers have been known to fire when dropped accidentally where the hammer was resting on a loaded chamber.  However, most modern revolvers are now made with a hammer-block safety which prevents the hammer from stricking the firing pin if dropped - so carrying on a loaded chamber is now acceptable in most cases.  It would be futile to carry with the hammer on a loaded chamber next to an empty chamber - yes, your assailant who has wrestled your revolver from you would have to cock/pull the trigger twice to get you, but then again so would you if you really needed it.  Finally, I am an avid gun enthusiast and I agree with your final assessment - don't be stupid.
Mike -

I am one of those who would have grilled you on newsvine yesterday after reading your column.  But since I'm not registered on newsvine, I didn't try to.  But after reading your "open mike" column, I agree with you - Burress shouldn't have gone into NY with an unlicensed firearm.  I own two guns, one of which is a 9mm Glock-19.  I live in Reno, Nevada, and I hold three CCW permits - NV, UT and FL.  

As I understand it - based on the NRA's reciprocity page on its website - in NY, in order to legally carry a firearm, the person must register the firearm in the state and obtain a CCW by qualifying with the weapon through a legitimate law enforcement officer in the county where the permit is applied for.  Burress probably wouldn't have known anything about this, as he was probably thinking that he was a "bad expletive," as you pointed out previously.  He shouldn't have been carrying the gun in the first place, or he should have been carrying a holster for the Glock at the bare minimum.  Also, he should have made sure that no one - absolutely no one - saw the gun.  You take a big risk when you carry a firearm (loaded or not) into a state (CA, NY, etc.) that doesn't allow its citizens to easily carry concealed weapons with permits.  Burress should have known better - like you pointed out.  But he's Burress.  Now he should go to jail - for a very long time.  There's nothing wrong with carrying a gun for personal, self-protection, as long as you are legally allowed to.  In this case, Burress knew better, and yet he still carried the gun into a nightclub (full of people, no doubt).  But, like you said, he's Burress, and obviously, the rules don't apply to him.  Maybe he'll still think that when he reports to prison.
Glock refers to their semi-automatic hand held weapons as pistols.  Additionally I think you were too kind to Burress...
OpenMike, thanks for linking my site.

I've been writing about Glock accidents for years, but with a little regional blog I really haven't gotten a lot of traction.  Now that a well known sports figure has accidentally fired a Glock in a bar right there in the main stream media's hometown maybe people will take notice of the issue.

A Glock has no manual safety, and when there's a bullet in the chamber it's partially cocked.  So the light trigger pull makes it prone to an accidental discharge.  They happen all too frequently.  But often it's difficult to get information about accidents -- in fact there appeared to have been an effort to cover this one up.

Some Glock fans like the fact that they can grab the gun and shoot it without having to deal with a manual safety.  To those people I  suggest searching Youtube for videos of James Arness in the opening scene from the old tv show "Gunsmoke."  He and other actors of that era became very proficient at drawing a single action revolver, cocking it with their thumbs, aiming and firing.  If they can do that in less than a second then surely any moderately coordinated person who has learned to draw a handgun from a holster can master a manual safety.

There are people who want to restrict gun ownership, and some of them will want to use this accident as support for their cause.  But citizens' right to own guns is too important to tinker with.  This is a marketing and educational issue.

Glock owners and potential Glock owners need to be made aware of the potential dangers and the importance of gun safety rules.  Kudos to you for helping to educate people about this issue.

P. S.  Love the hat.
Mike,
Great article! Those who missed the point of your previous article are just looking for a reason to disagree and find fault.  My beliefs mirror yours (for the first time, and only in this case!) as far as guns go.  I have no problem with people owning guns, but just don't be a dummy!!  People should take safety classes, for their own sake and those of others.  Putting a gun in your pants has never, ever been a good idea, and Burress is on a long list of idiots who think its cool to be "gangster" or "thug" and put it in the waistband of his, most likely, sagging pants, which just adds to the danger.  I am not trying to be stereotypical, just honest.  When a gun is placed into the waistband, it is dangerous.  If your pants are loose, there is more of a chance that it could fall.  As you stated, a Glock is made to fire if the trigger is pulled, even with the trigger safety on, so the danger is even more!!  And by the way, it is totally acceptable to call a semi-auto an automatic.  Those who disagree are just being ridiculous!
Thank you for addressing the fact that Burress was not carrying his sidearm properly, much less illegally.  To carry a pistol in the waistband of a pair of slacks without an appropriate holster is asking for trouble; the kind of trouble that Burress got himself into.  It is an entirely different discussion about him carrying the pistol illegally.  I am a firm believer in the Second Amendment, but I also believe that appropriate laws and safety measures must be followed.  If an individual does not believe in the current gun laws, then he/she should try to appeal those laws through the legislature.  It is people like Burress that give law abiding and safety minded gun owners a bad name, and gives gun control advocates "ammunition" to help fuel their argument against the Second Amendment.
Well said.
Mr. Celizic,

Just a quick note.  Many madern-era semi-auto pistols lack a manual safety.  While this may seem... well... "unsafe" at first blush, if you handled and operated one you'd come to see that they are quite safe.  The reason, you ask?  Well, it's because the trigger is at LEAST as hard to pull as on a revolver, which of course also lacks a manual safety.  

Plaxico didn't just try to catch that pistol in his pocket and grab the trigger; it would take much more force than that to pull the trigger of an unmodified Glock.

One other point and then I'll go away... carrying a revolver on an empty cylinder is a practice that goes back to the days when a revolver could fire if it was dropped on the (uncocked) hammer, which would be resting against the primer of the cartridge.  Modern revolvers have safety features that prevent that.  I have not heard of carrying it on a loaded cylinder, with the NEXT one empty, as you suggest but then again, I don't know everything.  :-)

Good day to you sir.
As a avid hunter, well said!  It's idiotic to carry a loaded gun (particularly one with no safety feature) stuck in ones pants into a bar or most anywhere else.  It's just Mr. Burress desiring to be perceived as "bad".
I find people who responded to this subject do not live in the real world there was nothing wrong with you piece! I totaly agree with you as to who should carry a weapon in public. Since I have retired from the police department I have sold all but one weapon it is a 357 glock automatic! You see I don't have any hang ups.  
I agree 100%. Look at his career totals, and the fact that he won 100 games over .500! He will make the HOF.
I work for a living.  It galls me to see any pro athlete being given succh huge amounts of money.  Of course, a lot  goes to the agents.  People suck up to these athletes, making them think that they are above the common man and laws.  This Burress cat is a prime example of a dumb clown who is a moron.  Any person with any common sense at all knows that you get in trouble if you are caught with any gun in New York City.  The jerk caught a pass in the super bowl, becomes a hero, what a crock.  These team owners are so screwed up, they know this mombat is stupid, a liability, yet they cause  him to feel entitled by giving him all this money, some of it guaranteed.  The auto companies are in trouble, I would like to see every damn big league sports team go the same route.  M. Vick, P. Burress, the list is great of these athletes who are just plain ignorant, cannot cope with an honest job, too damn bad, they all deserve to go to hell.  Sportswriters, ex players turned analyst's, ESPN, they have lost all touch with reality.  I wouldn't pay a dime to see some athlete who cannot even spell cat, play in any sport at all.  I am bitter because you writers write a lot of BS, it is apparent you are no better than those of whom you write.
So, now a person should go to jail for a long time for shooting himself! Most of your writers are just a bunch of jealous, pathetic lugs.  Most of these guys are young stupid individual, but young neverless.  Try to live in their world for one day, and you see.  How many athletes have been shot, robbed or killed in the past couple of years.  These guys have targets on their back in the street (or in their own homes).  I'm sure that none of you was complaining that VP Cheney go to jail when he actually shot someone.  Or when a man let his six year old son handle an Uzi, and he blew his head off, how many of you sent a blog in that he deserve to be put away for a long time.  This is a victimless crime. Luckly, besides Plaxico, no one else was harm.  You need to stop hating on athletes, and discover what going on. As for the second ammendment, there is no basis under which the constitution defer control or ownership of firearms to the states, as the lawsuits are finding out.  Here in Georgia, the state lets you carry a gun in church, in your autos, in restaurants, damn near everywhere.
Mike,
First - you're right, he was being stupid.

I holster would have prevented this

Just one correction - that you blew off with the single action/double action comment

MOST revolvers that were/are used for self defense (aka just like the police used to carry) don't have to be cocked - you just pull the trigger, and the go bang - which is exactly what the Glock was designed to imatate , right down to the long trigger pull

The COULD be cocked, and single action revolvers HAD to be cocked, but for all intents, except for target shooting, they were not used that way

BTW The only folks who call semi-automatic pistols "automatics" are journalists, and people who have learned from them - most gun folks call them "semis" to draw a distinction from machine guns
Plax is an idiot, and nobody should stuff a gun in their pants for any reason, but your knowledge of handguns is even worse than it first appeared.

*** I suggested that if you’re going to stuff a gun in your pants, a revolver would be a better choice because it’s a lot harder to accidentally cock it and pull the trigger and shoot yourself. ***

This is hilarious.  Modern revolvers are double action, and do not need to be cocked before being fired.  You noted the difference between single and double-action revolvers, but failed to note that the former exist only as antiques and reproductions of antiques.

The nonsense about keeping an empty cylinder is even worse.  If you're going to do that, you might as well not carry a gun, because it's not going to go off for you when you need it either.  The empty cylinder thing is an obsolete piece of advice left over from single-action revolver days.  Those guns really could go off when dropped.



Well written Mike! So, you had a few minor technical inaccuracies, but nothing major. Your article was as open and honest as any I’ve ever read. Sadly, your commentators are not as erudite as yourself. We gun owners apologize for any overreaction to your original piece (which I never saw), but we have been picked upon by 90% of the US and 100% of the foreign press and we’re primed to go all defensive when we get slagged by the liberal media and the slimy politicians.

Unfortunately, not all of your commentators are as well informed as yourself. LS, for example, needs to brush up on his history lessons to discover that the 2nd amendment merely institutionalized an existing right. As the tee shirts say, “it isn’t about hunting”.

Thanks for an unusually honest follow up, it is well appreciated by us gun folk.


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