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Florida is not champion -- NCAA says so

Posted: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:37 PM

If you haven’t read John Tamanaha’s column on the pusillanimous AP pollees who wouldn’t do the right thing and vote Utah No. 1, read it now. It’s required reading for all the knuckleheads who still think computers and polls are the right way to determine the champion of college football’s flagship sport.

 

John’s right. Utah has every bit as much right to be called the champion as does Florida. The only thing he didn’t say is that the reason Utah isn’t considered good enough is because the voters have grown up believing that the Mountain West Conference is inferior and because these votes go along regional lines. There are more newspapers and more writers and more voters in the East. Given that fact, it was inevitable that they’d go with Florida.

 

But Florida is not the national champion. On its own Web site, the NCAA does not identify a national Division 1A champion, because there isn’t one. Champions are listed for Divisions I, II and III, because those divisions have playoffs, just like every one of the other 17 men’s sports and 19 women’s sports that the NCAA governs.

 

Florida is the BCS champion. It’s a fine title, and Florida is a great team and a worthy holder of BCS title. But that doesn’t make the Gators the national champion. If you don’t have a playoff, you can’t have a champion. It’s that simple.

 

And college football has never had a legitimate champion determined on the field.

 

That’s just wrong, and I’ve been saying as much for at least 15 years. When I started, just about everybody thought I was an idiot. Now, the President-elect of the United States agrees with me along with probably the majority of college football fans.

 

Fans seem to agree. In the poll we’re running on our site, readers say that Utah is the real champion, choosing the Utes by a 47-33 margin over Florida, with USC third and Texas last.

 

ESPN is also running a poll on who the national champion really is. As of this afternoon, Florida was the winner with 43 percent of the vote. Utah was second with 32 percent. The votes are regionally distributed, with the East and Southeast going for Florida, the Midwest for Utah, Texas for Texas, and the West Coast for USC.

 

Well, there’s a surprise right up there with discovering that a Denny’s Grand Slam breakfast hasn’t been endorsed by the American Heart Association. Florida is in the region with the greatest population and it wins the overall poll, just as it did in the AP poll.

 

But even the fans with all their biases couldn’t give Florida a majority. If this were a real election, there would be a run-off between Florida and Utah to find the real winner. And if it were a real championship, USC and somebody else – Do I hear Boise State? – would be part of a genuine playoff.

 

But college presidents won’t approve it. They don’t have a legitimate reason not to have a playoff. They just keep saying no.

 

And ESPN, by the way, is no help. I just got done listening to one of their “experts,” Mark May, say unequivocally that Utah would lose to Florida if there were a playoff. He said there was no question about it, and was, in fact just as sure of that pronouncement as 90 percent of the experts were last February that the Patriots would beat the Giants.

 

May also said that college football should not have a playoff because he likes all the arguments the current system spawns.

 

I know a lot of people who think like that, and I want to scream every time I hear the argument. As some of my friends will tell you, sometimes I do scream.

 

Who cares why you want it? Put yourself in the position of a player and tell me what you want. If you play for Utah, do you want things to stay the same? What about USC or Texas?

 

This is a sport, and sports are decided by athletes on the field, not by voters on their couches. What’s best – and fairest – for the players is what should be of paramount importance, not what’s best for arguments in bars.

 

Don’t tell me it’s better this way, because it’s not. The only reason you say that is because it’s the system you grew up with, and therefore it must be right. You wouldn’t agree that we should vote to determine who gets to be the champion of Major League Baseball, the NFL, the NBA or even college fencing. That would be silly and wrong, you would say. The reason you would say it is because we’ve always had playoffs to determine those champions. It’s what you grew up with; it’s tradition.

 

Tradition has its place in life. We speak a given language because it is traditional that people in our country speak that language. If we gave up that tradition, we couldn’t communicate, so that’s a good thing. We dress a certain way because of tradition also. While there’s nothing inherently better about wearing jeans as opposed to kilts, there’s no harm in most clothing customs, either.

 

But just because we’ve always done something a certain way doesn’t mean we should keep doing it that way. Slavery was an ancient human tradition sanctioned by the Bible. Spousal and child abuse were traditions, also. We got over them, just as we got over the “tradition” of social classes and hereditary monarchies and state-sponsored religions and killing babies with physical deformities.

 

I’m not equating the BCS with slavery and other true evils. But the argument holds. If college football had had a playoff from the get-go and someone suggested a BCS to replace it, you’d think that person was loopier than Richard Simmons on an acid trip.

 

So congratulations, Florida. You won the only game they let you play, and you did it in impressive fashion. Just forgive me if I don’t call you national champions, because you’re not. Nobody is. Nobody ever has been.

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I totally agree.  Utah may or may not be the National Champion but it would have been nice to determine it on the field.  Let's take the top 8 teams and have a legitimate playoff.  Only then can we have a true "National Champion"!
I'm not much of a college footbal fan but I completely agree with you.  I guess I don't understand why playing a few more game is such a problem.  It doesn't take away from the current games it add more revenue.
AMEM!!!
Addendum to prevous msg...amen, but I think you are preaching to the choir.  The people who need to hear (read) this, won't, and if they did, are so engrossed in their pocketbooks (college presidents and FOX) that they wouldn't see the merit.
You're the preacher and I'm in the AMEN choir, Mike!  The presidents and BCS conferences are too full of themselves to give a 4- or 8- team playoff the serious consideration it deserves.
how about a 16 team playoff next year, then there will be no questions?  Over time we can move the 120 or so Division 1A schools into 10 conferences. Have the 10 champs and the 6 best none champ schools in the playoff.  Its not really that hard.  I would bet the Ncaa would make more money in the long run.
I think someone should interview Bobby Knight on the evils of the NCAA...and this is yet one more example of how this governing body is completely out of touch with reality.  My guess and it's only a guess is that there is some financial reason they continue this system.  The NCAA is all about money...after all, they have sold out to cable for the BCS so those people in this country who are either not wealthy enough to afford cable or who happen to live in rural areas where cable is unavailable won't get to see it anyway.  I am extremely annoyed that college sports are being denied to people who are poor or maybe just fiscally responsible.  Kids who can't afford to do so many things will also soon be unable to watch the BCS free.  What is wrong with the NCAA?  What are they thinking?  They should have the best interest of all young people (and maybe even some old people)as a priority.  Unfortunately, they have their own best interest as their only priority and if they don't profit from a playoff system, it will never happen.  It's all about the money!  And while I'm on that topic, please please please someone explain why on earth the BCS games was on a Thursday night.  I know it's hard for those NCAA guys and gals to understand, but some of us actually work during the week and, oh yes, there are those kids who actually have to go to school and staying up late to watch that game is ridiculous!  I'm sure that decision was also all about the money!  
Not National Champions?  OK....Just the Best Dang Team in the Country.  
John Tamanaha is a known idiot when it comes to anything close to football.  Play off or not, Florida is the Champion!!  Guess he thinks he knows more than writers of coaches.
I should probably write this letter to ESPN or the BCS people (whoever they are), but I do not have the inclination to bother to look up their addresses.  I need to thank them for giving me the most enjoyable fall and holiday season I can remember.  I did not watch a single college football game this year.  Rather than spend my weekends and the holidays watching an endless array of meaningless football games, as I have done for most of my life, I spent this fall and holidays with family, friends, neighbors and projects that would normally have waited until now to complete.  What a wonderful time!!!  And I owe it all to the college presidents and BCS.  Please thank them for me and ask them to keep things the way they are.  I discovered that I do not need college football to enjoy a full, rich life.  I am so excited about the basketball and baseball seasons I can hardly contain my excitement.  It should be a great nine months.

P.S.  Thank ESPN for giving us Colin Cowherd.  Thanks to him I found the classical music station on my radio and rediscovered my love of civilized conversation and relaxing music.
This is all based on Utah beating a disinterested Alabama team who did not want to be playing in the Sugar Bowl? We saw the same thing with Texas Tech and Texas, both disappointed at their bowl fate, not playing close to their best. You can't tell me 21-year-old kids don't let that kind of disappointment effect them, even if only subconsciously.

Credit to Utah for a great season, but Florida beat Alabama when it mattered, when BOTH teams had everything to play for. In the BCS era, the non-BCS title bowls, like the Sugar Bowl, are basically really nice exhibition games. Nothing more.
Simple minds do simple things, that is where you are.
Playoff is for people that can't see all the things, only one item at the time, grow up and run...
When Florida won its first basketball title a few years ago the confetti had not yet hit the floor when 'experts' were questioning if the Gators were really the best team or just got hot at the right time. The Gators repeated the next year, of course. There will always be complaints and biases, playoffs or not, about who's in and who's out.
Good article. I agree that the playoff system would resolve this very apparent problem. I suggest changing the heading of the article though--people might think this is just another bitter article from a Utah, USC, or Texas fan.
A playoff is better for every team -except the ones chosen that year to play in the BCS championship game! In the years USC was playing in the championship game they weren't complaining, but this year they are.  Same with Texas, and even Alabama.
Seriously? You're grasping for straws. Let it go.
Agreed.
The Gators won a "Disney" trophy.  A propmo conteast that ended the same as American Idol, or Survivor!!!
The Gators are only champions of their own ego, which there seems no limit to in Gainsville.  Re-play the Mississipi game for me please.  Oh, you mean the tape has been misplaced, oh my.  Well, just flush harder Gators, maybe you find a real champion in the mirrior next year.
The biggest mistake that the BCS made was putting in Ohio State team that was beaten so bad by USC early in the season and continued to be very average. Also Oklahoma had no business being in the National championship game. Oh, I wish the BCS would get a clue.
will you people please stop hating. dang ! get over it ,the gators are bcs, national or what ever else thats out there champions . go blow your nose or something.  
will you people please stop hating. dang ! get over it ,the gators are bcs, national or what ever else thats out there champions . go blow your nose or something.  
I agree we do not have a national champion.
The west does not have a voting chance.
Lets have a payoff and see how often the champ is west  of the Missippi River.
A M E N
Enough is enough. The system is the system, and I agree it is broken. But the fact remains... the Florida Gators are No. 1 (that's ONE) and ARE the best team in the country. If we had the opportunity, and we DO wish we did, we would take on Utah or USC (Texas?...what conference title did they win?) without blinking, and show them, like we did Oklahoma, what DEFENSE really means. It's our crystal football, and we are the best team in the country. GO GATORS!!!
Like this article Mike, but like it or not Florida IS THE National Champion for 2008! Lets hope and pray that the NCAA will come up with a playoff system and SOON!(and I do believe that will happen one day, not sure about the soon part) Playoffs decide a champion in EVERYTHING else (itty bitty league to pro sports) so why not Div. 1-A college football?!? I didn't vote for Obama but we agree on one thing, PLAYOFFS! I just hope he can put enough pressure on the college presidents to accept a playoff system. Time will tell.
Problem with the Utes is that they don't play consistently tough teams and  have their playeres beat up week after week as SEC and some other conferences do. This is not Utes fault, but facts of scheduling. Florida deserves to be # 1 for reason mentioned above. With Harvin not playing against Alabama, Florida loses 2 touchdowns easily.
Take is further, the Giants are not world champs, only NFL champs.  The Celtics are not world champs, only NBA champs (don't play any teams outside NBA).  Same with MLB.  We should fix them all.
Mark May, ESPN, thinks the SEC is the greatest.  Nobody can beat them.  Listen to him during any year and he says the same thing - SEC is the best.  But Alabama got spanked by Utah.  Was not even close.
HOW WOULD YOU PICK WHO PLAYS AND HOW MANY TEAMS WOULD YOU HAVE PLAYING? AND WHERE WOULD YOU PLAY THEM ? I WOULD HAVE THEM ROSE COTTON ORANGE FIESTA WITH THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN THE GRANDDADDY THE ROSE BOWL.
Once again this writer speaks volumes; albeit trash.  As the system that currently exists, the Gators are national champs.  We have had national champions decade after decade, no matter what system were used to determine them.
Under this premise The World Series would be bogus also, it certainly doesn't include other nations.
Celizic should be included in the Whiner of the Week category!  
I went to Texas, so stop reading if you think that makes me a whiner.  The main reason a playoff system should be implemented is because people are stupid.  Their memories are short and their logic is flawed.  Arguing about who beat who or when is about as smart as arguing about how many angel can dance on the head of a pin.  I have read 20 articles written after the game was played about who should have been there and who would match up better than OU.  Texas was never mentioned in any of them.  The team that beat OU on the field, played what was arguably the toughest 4 games ever faced in recent memory and lost the last one on the last play in an opponents stadium suddenly is not worth being mentioned with Utah or USC.  They even went out and won their bowl game after being jerked by their own conference.  Noone has a bigger complaint about this year than the Longhorns, but these final reactions show that regional areas, traditions, nor anything else calls so much for a playoff more than the fact that people are just stupid and short sighted.
Why not do it the American way and boycott all the sponsors of the "National Championship Game". They are actually participating in false advertising because their game does not produce a true national champion. Instead it only produces an opinion of which team that they and their computers think should be the national champ. So, if our nation's laws won't correct them, let the pocket books of the public do so. If we started a movement to not purchase any product that was advertised during the big game, they would change overnight.
Oh please Ed in Jacksonville... have you even seen a game that Utah has played?  Or do you just trust what the biased against any team that will not contract with them, ESPN doles out? The only answer is a playoff. Every other sport has one... it's ridiculous that D1 football does not...
Sheesh, when will you press hacks get over the fact that you no longer have the power to crown national champions yourselves with your own, completely subjective, always biased, and now largely meaningless AP poll.  It's over, it's been over for years but you still can't acknowledge that the BCS has become the best system that has EVER been in place for Div 1A College Football.  

Go ahead and scream when you get done crying because I love this system, the controversy it creates, the debates, everything.  A playoff would be fabulous, but only during the playoffs.  The importance of the remainder of the season would be diminished and I'm not willing to sacrifice the excitement that comes with games starting around Labor Day and the intensity that grows all season long.  
Florida is the BCS champion because the common "opinion" is that Florida would beat Utah if they played each other.  Utah is not ranked number 1 because the common "opinion" is that they would not be undefeated if they played in a "stronger" conference.  The common "opinion" is that the Mountain West conference is an inferior conference.  

The problem is that these "opinions" are often based on decades-old stereotypes, and are completely unrelated to reality.  The common "opinion" was that Alabama would have its way with the Utes in the Sugar Bowl.  

There are still many who think that the Utes got lucky in that game.  They think that the Utes would lose 9 times out of 10 if they played Alabama again and again and again.  You know what, they might be right - everyone is entitled to their own "opinion".

The problem we have is rewarding teams based on the most popular "opinions", instead of results.  If you look at the NFL, stronger teams are often eliminated by weaker teams in the course of the playoffs.  If the NFL champion were decided using the BCS ranking system, San Diego wouldn't have a shot, because the most common opinion was that the Colts would have beaten the Chargers 9 times out of 10.  Even if that is true, does anybody really think it would be FAIR to determine the NFL championship based on that reasoning?  Shouldn't teams at least be given a chance to prove themselves?  

As long as the current system is in place, perception will always trump reality.
Get over it.It is wise to be satisfied with one's own lot-even though one hasn't a lot.
The Gators are Nat. Champs.
We want a TRUE playoff. What we have is a subjective 2 team playoff which is better then no BCS 2 team playoff of the past.
They will eventually make the adjustment to a 4 or 8 team playoff. May go 16 but it will require some political pressure.
either the people getting signatures protesting it to congress or Obama getting congress involved again.

Its not so much that the BCS is BAD but it doesnt fulfill its purpose.
Like the article said. We still have no National Champion.
The only team with any real claim for it by virtue of being undefeated is UTAH.
Every other team can be disputed due to 1 loss or more.
ANYTIME a team goes undefeated it gives them claim to such a title.
Florida has a legal claim since all the schools agreed to give that to them by agreeing to be part of the BCS.
So UTAH has to concede that BUT the fans don't.

I think the fans should be suing and getting signatures because it is the fans being left disapoointed by not seeing great teams like UTAH, USC, TEXAS, and so forth...play each other.
Playoofs extend the season for fans a the few select teams that desere to play on.
Cant be about money alone because there is more money by playing more BCS games then a 2 team playoff VS an 8 team or 4 team or 16. Can do a playin and go with odd numbers too. Keep that in mind when protesting

So will somebody start a board where we can petition our government and get 100k signatures.

utah played the 70th ranked schedule this year. florida battled through the SEC and an SEC championship vs. alabama.  anyone that thinks utah can match up well against florida is just high.  i mean, c'mon...  florida has the better athletes at every position, they're faster and stronger and would crush utah.  florida v. usc = much better match up.  utah is akin to hawaii last year coming out undefeated although they did beat alabama.   even so, people need to stop whining.  this is the system.  love it or hate it it IS the system.  :)    go gator dynasty!
The reason people believe "the Mountain West Conference is inferior" is because IT IS.
Who do you include in these hypothetical 4 or 8 team playoffs? Ball State won 12 games but didn't win their conference. They would be 12-1 leading up to the playoff. How can you leave them out? If you add the requirement that you win your conference then texas, alabama, texas tech, ohio state are eliminated (and one oregon state win away from eliminating usc as well). If you don't make conference win a requirement then you take: Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, USC, Penn State, Alabama, Utah, Texas Tech. Tough luck Boise State. UNLIKE the NFL, college football rewards the best team August to January and will never have a 7-loss champion. Sorry Utah, thats Florida.
If Div. I BCS teams followed ther divisions in college football,the New Year's Day game would be for the National Championship - 16 teams, 15 games.  The lower tier bowls (32 teams, 16 games) could still be held and would generate the same interest and revenue as now.  Interest in the tip tier bowl games would increase because they would really have something to play for.  That's 47 'bowl' games, enough already.
Okay look I'm a BYU fan through and through.  Nothing makes me happier than Utah losing, but this crap has gotten out of control.  Utah is the only undefeated team left and no matter how you spin it Florida lost to Mississippi.  Mississippi was descent but they would have lost to Utah TCU and probably BYU.  Utah beat both those teams and went 13-0!!!  Florida lost one game... whoever decided that Football is played better in the East or South anyways?  Put any of the three MWC teams in the SEC and they will always give Florida a run for their money.
stop crying, may be your team will get their next year so suck it enjoy the rest of the year. GO GATORS
Let's be realistic here.....First of all congratulations to Florida on winning the BCS title game.  But now to the heart of the matter.....People don't want an 8 or 16 team playoff system in college football because no one likes change.  In the past, when there were a few teams that dominated year in and year out, the Bowl System was a big money maker and worked sufficiently to the majority of the peoples satisfaction.  But in the last few years, with the allowable number of scholarship players each team is allowed to keep on thier rosters, parity is setting in with teams like Utah, Boise State, and TCU, just to name a few, starting to challenge the Big Name Schools on limited basis.  Let's be realistic,the MWC went 6-1 against the PAC 10 this year, supposedly thier big brother conference.  And for people saying the PAC 10 was down this year, myself included, they did go 5 - 0 in Bowl play. A playoff system makes sense if you are going to crown a team a National Champion, unless you just want to call them the Champion of the Bowl Game they were invited to play in.  In that case then, I guess USC is the Champion of the Rose Bowl, Texas is the Champion of the Fiesta Bowl, Utah is the Champion of the Sugar Bowl, Virginia Tech is the Champion of the Orange Bowl, Florida is the Champion of the BCS Title Bowl, Tulsa is the Champion of the GMAC Bowl, etc.......  I think any true football fan who reads this with an open mind, and is rational in the thier thought process, would have to agree with what I"m saying here, even if they don't want to admit it.  The Bowl system is obsolete in todays society when everyone wants to see who the real National Champion is.  ....The present system makes about as much sense as doing away with the Basketball version of March Madness and letting some writers, and a couple computers decide which two teams would play for the National Championship as opposed to all this Regional Play, and the madness of teams being away from school for the entire Month of March to play Basketball, when aren't they in college to get an education in the first place???? I know what you're probably thinking now, this guys trying to get us to do away with March Madness....but no I'm not, I'm just making a comparison of the way the two sports are set up to decide who is the Champion.  I mean face it, Basketball Champions such as:  Villanovas big win over Georgetown, NC States win over Houston, Kansas win over Oklahoma, and so on probably didn't have the best team win the National Championship, but at least the best team won that night, and no one can say they didn't deserve it because it was decided on the court, by young athletes competing with the right to achieve thier goals. Deciding it on the field of play through a playoff system that is fair to all involved, players, fans, boosters, etc, makes to much sense to not do it.  We now live in the 21st Century, but College Football still exists in the 20th Century with the Old Bowl System still used as a determing factor.  And the BSC is not the answer in its present state of existance.  I used to be a big college football fan, but now lean more to the High School, Professional, and lower levels of the college game, because at least teams decide thier own fate on the field, not because someone had an opinion, and the computers utilize the information fed into them by people, which make the computers no better than the Human minds operating them.    
Brilliant as a walk on the sun, and needfully bashing like a 10 lb. sledge. Right on, Mike, you've got the right of this one.

To those on here who are disagreeing with him, you each are missing the point in your own way. For instance, Steven Campbell (Las Vegs (sic), NV), Mike isn't talking about Florida not being Champs because college football doesn't represent the world. That's non sequitur. Each of the sports/leagues that you reference settles a champion by playoffs. College football does not. Oh, and Mike never said "world champions," just "national champions."

To those who are defending Florida, you have a right to brag about your team but read what Mike wrote, again. He takes nothing away from their victory. It isn't their fault that the system is set up the way it is. Florida *did* have a good team this year. The point is, that champions are determined in head-to-head, playoff matchups. Period.

Seriously, what do we gain with the "consensus method" of choosing a champion? It does not, as supporters often say, render every weekend, every game, important. It does not "turn every weekend into a playoff." Tell that to USC, who saw that Florida's one loss did not matter while USC's one loss did. Tell that to Auburn of a few years back, undefeated and sitting on the sidelines of the big dance. Tell that to Texas this year. Did Texas' win over Oklahoma matter? For EITHER Texas or Oklahoma? Apparently not.

The idea of Bowl games is fairly silly to begin with. Think about what a Bowl is.

It's one more game.

...that happens to not be scheduled until after you have played the last of your scheduled games.

Big deal.

I'm not saying that Bowl games should be ditched. They are a chance to see, after the season has run its course, your team match up against another team picked perhaps because it would make a good game. But what Bowls are definitely not are ways to determine a champion. Not even the BCS bowls. Not even the vaunted BCS Championship Bowl Game (whichever that one happens to be any given year). THAT bowl game is still... just another bowl game.

Just sound and fury, signifying nothing.
now the president-elect agrees with you, YAWN and DUH! as if that makes any difference.
you are really desperate!!!
believer18
Here's a simple solution. Have all the conference champs play down in the month of December. Let the best at large team or the div.II champs in as wild cards. Take all the bowl money and put it in a scholarship pool for all state colleges and universities. Let the alumni put their money where they want. Make the big traditional bowls ie: Sugar, Orange, Cotton, Rose, the quarter finals then have the semi finals at Christmas and the big game on new years day. Then, ALL! the bowls have a meaning. By the way, I live in Canada and we know who the best collge team here is.
Not the national champions according to the NCAA web site?  Then why do they have this;  http://www.shopncaasports.com/default.aspx/source/NCAA-010809BCSNCFL-300 ????
The only way this will ever change is if fans boycott the BCS Bowls; don't go and don't watch.  Money is why the system has stayed the way it is.  It's like any other injustice; without sacrifice, the oppressed will not convince those in power to change.  Take away their income, and those cities that host the bowls will be scrambling over each other to sign up to host a tournament game.  The same is true for the BCS colleges who are pushing everyone else around.  Just stay home.  
I agree with having a playoff but,any team can win on any given day.That still doesn't mean there the best.Either way just because your team didn't win doesn't mean you should take anything away from the gators.CRY ME A RIVER!!!


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